Replica body Kit?

docaam

You guys can buy the originals as loosing one sale on replica wont hurt anything for these companies. And IMO in the end of the day its a Nissan so not worth spending 10% of car value on a bodykit, rest performance parts I agree should be ok good quality which are aleast on mine

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370Ztune

The problem is they don't just lose profit from one sale, it's more like 20, 30, 40 or even more in some cases; it all starts with just 1.

Regarding the 10% of value comment, does that logic extend to other parts as well because Work Wheels aren't cheap!

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docaam

For me that logic was limited to amuse only, I have spent more on other parts where i thought its needed. In fact as I said I used my savings to spend on other parts.

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TypeOne

If you can't afford to buy nice parts(*regardless of what type of car you drive*) then you shouldn't buy anything. (in my opinion, of course)

I know guys with Honda Civic's that save their money and spend it on a $1500 front bumper, just because they want high quality, nice stuff.

Quality is quality, regardless of what you are buying for. I bought a $50 iPhone case yesterday because the $10 case was a cheap piece of china crap. (even though they looked the same)

Selling or buying fake, copied parts will only HURT our industry. Obviously some companies get offended when this fact is brought up because they try to make it seem ok.

The argument "hey, who needs to pay all this money for the same parts" isn't going to work. You pay for so much more when you buy an authentic part.

If you (and not you personally) have a successful company selling knock offs, why don't you try to be original and let other people copy you? Tell me how that goes.

Cmike2780

Also, I think manufacturers should meet the consumers half way and make these parts more affordable. Some of these kits for example, don't need to be priced so high, even if its of a higher quality. It might deter replicas if the price difference was a lot less significant. Most people would likely pay a little more for the real thing. Its a different story when the real thing cost double the replica.

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kenchan

yah, it's difficult cause you take a JDM bit worth say 50,000yen... (basically should be $500 or less) but with the f-ked up yen right now at 78yen/$, that's already $641.

add 30% margin for the store in the US to cover their operation cost and profit =$833..

then add freight $50-150 can be up to $980+.

the japanese government is killing their own manufacturers right now... and making opportunities for copycats to take its place. and shops and people supporting these copycats just makes it that much worse. like pouring tabasco over a wound... if you want to see cool parts for your cars in the future, have to support the JDM tuners.

like i said, copycat's cant make shitt without the original..

TypeOne

Sure... but that would be a case by case basis.

You know, a lot of people don't realize how and what it takes to actually MAKE a very high quality part.

For example, in order to design and aero part, (I'm sure a few companies processes are different) but for the most part it follows:

1. Determine what the main focus of the part would be (visually, funtional,ect)
2. Determine who to sell the part to (consumer base, cars, regions, ect)
3. Determine a target MSRP and profit margin (make it worth it to sell and make money to FUND OTHER innovative products)
4. Design and draw rough sketches / ideas (pay an artist)
5. Review and narrow down ideas (pay employees)
6. Take remaining ideas and model them on the car (pay engineers / artists / employees)
7. Determine if the models can be manufactured easily and within steps (1&3)
8. Develop a working prototype for testing (pay employees / engineers / manufacturers)
9. Address any issues / possible redesign
10. Produce a limited number of parts for testing with production quality fitment
11. Check fitment and if the product meets company standards
12..ect ect

Those are just a few main steps that companies have to go through to determine what and how to make a part. It's actually much more complicated than that if you are coming up with innovative and original ideas.

Just as an example, someone had to take ALL of those steps to bring a new product to market... With a large company, think about all of the resources and people it takes to do that. I can promise you it isn't one or two people.

With that being said, because of the amount of time that those people spent doing all of those things to create something, it must be WORTH it for them to sell. Simply spending all of that time making it and selling it to make $100 isn't going to help them, nor anyone else trying to buy and resell those parts. (ie, dealers and markups,ect)

Paying for something nice is going to be expensive. And while I understand that spending $500 on a shift knob made of the same stuff the $80 one is made from, just because of the name is a little ridiculous, paying for something that has value is important to some..

Just think about it...

10-15 years ago, you didn't see knock off companies selling HKS, Blitz, Amuse, Nismo sh*t for cheap.. because they didn't exist.

Put your money in the places that have experience, the ones that started and have supported the industry. Everyone supported them then... now that you can buy cheap crap, it's cool to tell them to get lost?



*EDIT*

I just wanted to point out... in addition to what I said above, but companies that base their businesses OFF of copying other stuff doesn't have all of that overhead, they don't have to go through all of those steps to copy something. They merely get a part (in this case is a bumper) and send it off to a comapny in Tawian or China, they make a mold of it, and then have people pop them out of a cheap mold for 1/100th of the original MSRP.

They buy a ton of them, and sell them to people all over the world. End of story.


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Jamaica

How about you ask Shine Auto?
You dont pay for so much more. The Authentic part has flaws and errors. JDM parts are not always perfect. Buying fake, hurts the JDM community but the American community benefits. IF Companies were willing to go half way then we wouldnt have issues with replicas simple. I can say this, When I bought my Authentic kit from a vendor on here, total jerks about the whole procedure. Thankfully another vendor (Amplified Motorsports) were able to help out with the second one. I mean imagine spending 10k on kits and they fit like crap? tell me is that money well spent?

TypeOne

Is that the kit you bought to copy?

McNeil370

sometimes the copy can be improved over the original. but there allways has to be an original to copy/clone. tough choice

Jamaica

Nope. You only need one kit to make a copy not two. The second one was sold after a week after i picked it up.

docaam

I bought Shineauto replica amuse to save 3500$ and it was worth it, fitment was spot on

I will say again if you guys feel to support feel free to buy original, for me it was a waste of money just for the bodykit, mainly talking about quality replica body parts, for performance side there shouldnt be any compromise.

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kenchan

Yah but coming from a guy that cant make up his mind doing all the different faux (or watever) kits, vinyls, and paints I'm saving hell of a lot more money on buying just the originals I wanted for my car and keeping them. And I can bet you that my car runs better than yours like how a real Z was meant to be. Not just a pinup girl.

Main issue with you is you seem to lack focus and spend on all kinds of stuff that can probably buy a second Z or a higher performance car. That's a much bigger waste of money to me. but it is entertaining to watch how your car transforms.

de_dust

dude give it a break. u just coming out as a douche. each person has the right to buy whatever they want with their money and you have to accept how it is. if u really care about the original manf, why don't you just contact them and report. their IP is the only thing they can use to protect themselves, and it would be easy for them to enforce. maybe this is the reason why we are not seeing Zele kit replicas. they can at least force some of these companies to get a license agreement with them (which can be an advantage for one of these companies doing replicas because it will corner the US market for them).

it doesn't appear that amuse care anyways, or else they would have taken action already. they're probably thinking its free advertisement for them.

props to these companies providing replicas/CF versions for having good quality, which is really the only concern for replicas.

tabrams31

de_dust you are right.. Kenchan you are really taking this to a new level.. To talk crap about another member because he chooses to buy performance parts and save money on kits.. Wow - get a life already!! And if you're so pro-origional kits then make one you DOUCHE!!! Have you even tried? What is your kit called? I would love to see your designs? That's right - I don't think you've made one.. I don't even know who you are?

My thoughts - save your money buy FAKE!!! Fake but improved!!! If Amuse and Zele want to sell in the states then make the price lower. It's freaking fiberglass fools!!! And to spend that $$ on real expensive JDM parts - then you're that guy that wasted your $$ and should have saved your $$ to buy an M3.