Waiting to Inhale VQ37VHR tuning /modablity

pyrrhus17 · 08-30-2011, 09:05 AM

"The is suppose to be a poor mans sports car. A loaded Auto convert runs close to 50K thats not cheap, so could you imagine if they offered a TT or SC version. Anyone who bought this car thinking they where going to be a stop light champ was sadly mistaken and did not do there reasearch before buying. If you wanted to be the fastest guy around in a straight line you shoudl have bought a Vette or the 5.0"

Thats my point the car is not cheap nor is it a sports car , cheap like a 240sx I can go with or 50k and I can go around the track more than twice .I dont care about drag speed. I care about handling and speed and the TT 300z weren't that expensive back in the day (research done ) .the fact that you have to spend 2k to get your car in track shape is ******** ,again (oilcooler , brake venting , radiator, ) .I love the car really , but NISSAN could have at least vented the brakes and given us a oilcooler WTF

RED ZED is a perfect example of the type of Z owner I am talking about ,Nissan is missing something here .Him and evryone like HIM . I am not into driving a moder fricking MG or Triumph Tr6 call myself a sports car and be slower than a toyota corolla . Reasearch done ! This car should be contender and it doesn't feel like it is . P.S. No one tracks there cars because A. it overheats ,Not fun . B they buy a 944 to track which is more fun.

red6spd · 08-30-2011, 10:13 AM

300ZX at the end of there life where in the 40K price range they became very over priced. My car was 34K out the door, and in this day and age that is cheap for such a good car. And it is a good car, I have to be honest, I never had the car on a road course but I never had a issue with oil cooling, but I decided to go with an oil cooler just because I plan on doing some track days. Small price to pay to fix a tiny issue. I dont think the radiator has to be changed on the Z unless your making some serious power? And as for the brake venting it has been proven by CarAndDriver that unless your doing constant like 100mph stops over and over again the Sport brakes are fine. To say the Z is not a sports car is just stupid.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 10:18 AM

^ I'd argue it is built as a GT car rather than a sports car (300zx was openly a GT car).

For the brakes, where's this "proof"?

Btw, your rotors exceeded 900f on the dragon and we weren't even going hard.

red6spd · 08-30-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

^ I'd argue it is built as a GT car rather than a sports car (300zx was openly a GT car).

For the brakes, where's this "proof"?

Btw, your rotors exceeded 900f on the dragon and we weren't even going hard.

I disagree, the G37 is the GT car. What makes you say the Z is a GT car? Curious? Do you remember when CarAndDriver smashed that Nismo into the wall at VIR?? It was because of brake failure. Well a couple of issues later they did reasearch into why this happen to a sports car like the Nismo Z. The two biggest reasons it happen was because A) The car was a Media test car and was abused very badly B) Yes they found out the car did not have enough air going to the brakes to cool them off. They then went on to test many different brake fluids and also found out the stock fluid was boiling over, but this was after many 60 or 100mph panic stops. CarAndDriver tested a few more fluids and changed to better pads and finally was able to get the Z to withstand several panic stops from very high speeds. So yea you can argue "well Porsche or Ferrari or more expensive cars dont suffer from these problems" but bottom line the Z is a cheap car for the masses. A little peice of a high end sports car that everyone can buy.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I disagree, the G37 is the GT car. What makes you say the Z is a GT car? Curious? Do you remember when CarAndDriver smashed that Nismo into the wall at VIR?? It was because of brake failure. Well a couple of issues later they did reasearch into why this happen to a sports car like the Nismo Z. The two biggest reasons it happen was because A) The car was a Media test car and was abused very badly B) Yes they found out the car did not have enough air going to the brakes to cool them off. They then went on to test many different brake fluids and also found out the stock fluid was boiling over, but this was after many 60 or 100mph panic stops. CarAndDriver tested a few more fluids and changed to better pads and finally was able to get the Z to withstand several panic stops from very high speeds. So yea you can argue "well Porsche or Ferrari or more expensive cars dont suffer from these problems" but bottom line the Z is a cheap car for the masses. A little peice of a high end sports car that everyone can buy.

That doesn't "prove" anything either way...there's a reason anyone who tracks seriously has ditched the akebono fronts.

Again, enough for light use...and fine for what the car is...also not relevant to a thread that is about the engine....

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 10:26 AM

Really, you need 2k to track this car? Hardly, 500 for an oil cooler and around 100 bucks for better fluid & pads and you are good to go for the average driver.
Now if you want something you are going to be competing against gutted cars, then yes you are going to be dropping some money to do it.

The Z is 'cheap' for what you get, you can compete out of the box with cars slightly above our price bracket, did not say win but compete. And comparing it to a 240sx is just ridiculous, that was way down the list in its time period compared to the Z.

The price of a 300zx TT in 1991 was 34k and comparing with inflation and adjusting for today you are pushing just over 50k for the same car.

pyrrhus17 · 08-30-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Really, you need 2k to track this car? Hardly, 500 for an oil cooler and around 100 bucks for better fluid & pads and you are good to go for the average driver.
Now if you want something you are going to be competing against gutted cars, then yes you are going to be dropping some money to do it.

The Z is 'cheap' for what you get, you can compete out of the box with cars slightly above our price bracket, did not say win but compete. And comparing it to a 240sx is just ridiculous, that was way down the list in its time period compared to the Z.

The price of a 300zx TT in 1991 was 34k and comparing with inflation and adjusting for today you are pushing just over 50k for the same car.

Well I think your going to be closer to 1k without a radiator pads are over 100 buck so is fluid , Where I live in the summer its above 85 closer to 90 f hence the radiator and I want to track at least once a month in the summer . Brakes are also a must they at least need to be vented .my point about the 240 was that is was cheap and takes mods better than the 370z Thats it . I love the car really I just wish it wasn't driving in town watching my oil temp rise to 240f on a regular basis .

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pyrrhus17

Well I think your going to be closer to 1k without a radiator pads are over 100 buck so is fluid , Where I live in the summer its above 85 closer to 90 f hence the radiator and I want to track at least once a month in the summer . Brakes are also a must they at least need to be vented .my point about the 240 was that is was cheap and takes mods better than the 370z Thats it . I love the car really I just wish it wasn't driving in town watching my oil temp rise to 240f on a regular basis .

Who told you a radiator is needed?
We have guys running in Texas the past few weeks with stock radiator in 105+ temps with no problem. Look around you can get your fluid & pads for around 100 bucks, 150-200 if you just buy the first link that pops up.

The 240 was cheap because it was a cheap car from factory. Also, are you talking about the KA motor? It is decent at best, one of the main reasons engine swaps from day 1 were so common with that car.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Who told you a radiator is needed?
We have guys running in Texas the past few weeks with stock radiator in 105+ temps with no problem. Look around you can get your fluid & pads for around 100 bucks, 150-200 if you just buy the first link that pops up.

The 240 was cheap because it was a cheap car from factory. Also, are you talking about the KA motor? It is decent at best, one of the main reasons engine swaps from day 1 were so common with that car.

Agreed. Coolant temps are pretty well controlled unless you seriously block airflow.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Agreed. Coolant temps are pretty well controlled unless you seriously block airflow.

I prefer putting a metal plate over it then tracking, I like to challenge myself and ruin the car.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 10:28 AM

The issue with the C&D test was just a load of BS.
They took a car with over 10k track miles on it, did not change the pads, nor did C&D do a proper safety tech inspection and threw it on a lighting lap. Anyone with half a brain could have guessed what was going to happen.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pyrrhus17

Is everyone happy with the 370z's engine and its ability to be tuned or FI 'ed or would you prefer Nissan to have a different powerplant and drivetrain in the 370z. I feel the car is great but cant help but being a bit jealous when you see some of the power that EVO's ,Subies,Stangs ,etc etc are getting .Does anybody regret their purchase ?

Getting back to the original question:
Yes I am happy with the motor, and I have gone through a lot of steps and am currently have a supercharger. Transmission Nissan needed to look at much deeper, they did some good upgrades with the motor form the 3.5L to the 3.7L, but the transmission is still rubbish.

Power the other cars are getting?
Hardly, the Evo/subbie guys have a 4 banger turbo from factory, it is fairly easy to throw on some upgrades and supporting mods to get big dyno numbers but that is all it is. The Mustang is a solid car, I bought my Z in 09 so the 5.0 was still in the testing phase and no one knew exactly what we were going to get. Would I get a 5.0 today if I had the choice between it & the Z? Probably not, I would go a completely different route all together.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 10:39 AM

Wrt to the GT comment:
Weight, softer, compliant suspension, heavy focus on comfort(wide seats), huge interior space, blah blah blah. The FR configuration and weight distribution help too.

Wikipedia classes all z cars as GT cars... And we know the Internet is never wrong.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Wrt to the GT comment:
Weight, softer, compliant suspension, heavy focus on comfort(wide seats), huge interior space, blah blah blah. The FR configuration and weight distribution help too.

Wikipedia classes all z cars as GT cars... And we know the Internet is never wrong.

Come on red: Nissan Z-car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

The Z-car is a series of sports cars manufactured by Nissan Motors Ltd.. The original Z was sold in October 1969 in Japan as the Nissan Fairlady Z and was exported as the Datsun 240Z.

From the first line of wikipedia.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Come on red: Nissan Z-car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the first line of wikipedia.

from same article....

Quote:

Much like the 280ZX that preceded it, the first-gen 300ZX was thought by enthusiasts as more GT than true sports car. It had improved handling, acceleration, and refinement on any previous model Z-car.

And...see examples here.

Grand tourer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

08-30-2011, 09:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
pyrrhus17 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: colorado Posts: 90 Drives: xterra Rep Power: 15	"The is suppose to be a poor mans sports car. A loaded Auto convert runs close to 50K thats not cheap, so could you imagine if they offered a TT or SC version. Anyone who bought this car thinking they where going to be a stop light champ was sadly mistaken and did not do there reasearch before buying. If you wanted to be the fastest guy around in a straight line you shoudl have bought a Vette or the 5.0" Thats my point the car is not cheap nor is it a sports car , cheap like a 240sx I can go with or 50k and I can go around the track more than twice .I dont care about drag speed. I care about handling and speed and the TT 300z weren't that expensive back in the day (research done ) .the fact that you have to spend 2k to get your car in track shape is ******** ,again (oilcooler , brake venting , radiator, ) .I love the car really , but NISSAN could have at least vented the brakes and given us a oilcooler WTF RED ZED is a perfect example of the type of Z owner I am talking about ,Nissan is missing something here .Him and evryone like HIM . I am not into driving a moder fricking MG or Triumph Tr6 call myself a sports car and be slower than a toyota corolla . Reasearch done ! This car should be contender and it doesn't feel like it is . P.S. No one tracks there cars because A. it overheats ,Not fun . B they buy a 944 to track which is more fun. Last edited by pyrrhus17; 08-30-2011 at 09:38 AM.

08-30-2011, 10:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 23	300ZX at the end of there life where in the 40K price range they became very over priced. My car was 34K out the door, and in this day and age that is cheap for such a good car. And it is a good car, I have to be honest, I never had the car on a road course but I never had a issue with oil cooling, but I decided to go with an oil cooler just because I plan on doing some track days. Small price to pay to fix a tiny issue. I dont think the radiator has to be changed on the Z unless your making some serious power? And as for the brake venting it has been proven by CarAndDriver that unless your doing constant like 100mph stops over and over again the Sport brakes are fine. To say the Z is not a sports car is just stupid. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

08-30-2011, 10:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	Really, you need 2k to track this car? Hardly, 500 for an oil cooler and around 100 bucks for better fluid & pads and you are good to go for the average driver. Now if you want something you are going to be competing against gutted cars, then yes you are going to be dropping some money to do it. The Z is 'cheap' for what you get, you can compete out of the box with cars slightly above our price bracket, did not say win but compete. And comparing it to a 240sx is just ridiculous, that was way down the list in its time period compared to the Z. The price of a 300zx TT in 1991 was 34k and comparing with inflation and adjusting for today you are pushing just over 50k for the same car. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

08-30-2011, 10:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	The issue with the C&D test was just a load of BS. They took a car with over 10k track miles on it, did not change the pads, nor did C&D do a proper safety tech inspection and threw it on a lighting lap. Anyone with half a brain could have guessed what was going to happen. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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08-30-2011, 10:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	^ I'd argue it is built as a GT car rather than a sports car (300zx was openly a GT car). For the brakes, where's this "proof"? Btw, your rotors exceeded 900f on the dragon and we weren't even going hard.

08-30-2011, 10:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	Wrt to the GT comment: Weight, softer, compliant suspension, heavy focus on comfort(wide seats), huge interior space, blah blah blah. The FR configuration and weight distribution help too. Wikipedia classes all z cars as GT cars... And we know the Internet is never wrong.

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