Cost of a vk56 swap

Sh0velMan · 04-22-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

ewwww. LS swaps are soooooooooo played out. i'm not gonna lie, i usually cant walk past an LS swapped car at a car show any faster. just seems like an unoriginal shortcut at this point

If they're doing it for a show car, I can definitely agree. Le'lame.

IDZRVIT · 04-22-2013, 06:41 PM

There is a good reason why LS swaps are so popular. Now go figure it out. But if someone has the money who really loves the Z and is a die hard, then go ahead and do the VK56 swap. But you still wont be as fast as an LS implant equipped with the right parts.

CC QUIK · 04-22-2013, 11:28 PM

to 1slow370, good luck and and all the best on your build. On the lookout for another Z, this time a 350. And yes, i plan to put an LS V8 in it. By the way, anybody have a house with a 5 car garage for sale? LOL

edub370 · 04-23-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT

There is a good reason why LS swaps are so popular. Now go figure it out. But if someone has the money who really loves the Z and is a die hard, then go ahead and do the VK56 swap. But you still wont be as fast as an LS implant equipped with the right parts.

i get it, they are light, make power, blah blah blah... but the problem is, they are EVERYWHERE. its the cheap out nowadays. total complete lack of originality. it doesn't make a car better. if i see a miata with a turbo ls, guess what? I still don't want it. LS's don't make a car better, they jsut say, "i somewhat regret my buying decision and wish i woulda gone v8".

Sh0velMan · 04-23-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

i get it, they are light, make power, blah blah blah... but the problem is, they are EVERYWHERE. its the cheap out nowadays. total complete lack of originality. it doesn't make a car better. if i see a miata with a turbo ls, guess what? I still don't want it. LS's don't make a car better, they jsut say, "i somewhat regret my buying decision and wish i woulda gone v8".

This is a philosophical debate.

"My car is an extension of myself" vs "My car is a tool I use for something"

There can be no consensus on who is in the right and who isn't.

Myself, I want what works the best for the least amount of money... Which means I'll be going with the "cheap out" which does make the car better, for me. Because the point is to be fast, not to be unique or original.

Chuck33079 · 04-23-2013, 08:35 AM

I don't get the LS hate. Sure, it's not new or original. It also makes loads of power, parts cost next to nothing, and it'll fit in just about anything. The VK swap is awesome, but you could probably be all in on a LS swap for the cost of the VK motor alone. Still, I can't wait to see how this turns out. Either way it's going to be a hell of a lot of fun to drive.

G37Sam · 04-23-2013, 08:49 AM

This discussion is getting a little snobby lol

A true enthusiast doesn't hate on an engine "because it's everywhere". It's everywhere for a reason, and that is for being a successful V8. Yes it has outdated technology and is not JDM but to tell me it won't put a smile on your face when swapped into a Z is nonsense. The LS engines work!

The VK56 was never designed to race or go fast, it's an SUV/truck engine designed to haul and tow fat azz trucks around. If you have the extra money to convert it into a sportier engine then by all means.

IDZRVIT · 04-23-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

This discussion is getting a little snobby lol

A true enthusiast doesn't hate on an engine "because it's everywhere". It's everywhere for a reason, and that is for being a successful V8. Yes it has outdated technology and is not JDM but to tell me it won't put a smile on your face when swapped into a Z is nonsense. The LS engines work!

The VK56 was never designed to race or go fast, it's an SUV/truck engine designed to haul and tow fat azz trucks around. If you have the extra money to convert it into a sportier engine then by all means.

Not so. The LS is the latest development in the legendary SBC which is the most successful engine ever designed and produced on the planet. Reason? Reliability, power, torque, light weight come to mind.

edub370 · 04-23-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT

Not so. The LS is the latest development in the legendary SBC which is the most successful engine ever designed and produced on the planet. Reason? Reliability, power, torque, light weight come to mind.

Chevy one of the few companies keeping pushrod tech around. its a dying tech. i agree it makes great power for the mods, and they really have no reason to go to anything else. but u really cant call it modern by any stretch

Sh0velMan · 04-23-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

Chevy one of the few companies keeping pushrod tech around. its a dying tech. i agree it makes great power for the mods, and they really have no reason to go to anything else. but u really cant call it modern by any stretch

Chrysler/Dodge, too.

For V8 packaging for most workloads, it's pretty hard to beat with more modern design layouts.

The current line of LSx motors have about as much in common with the SBC engine of olde as the 370Z does with the 240Z.

IDZRVIT · 04-23-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

Chevy one of the few companies keeping pushrod tech around. its a dying tech. i agree it makes great power for the mods, and they really have no reason to go to anything else. but u really cant call it modern by any stretch

Can't improve upon perfection! Just kidding but it is a reliable platform and the new LS has very little in common with the Gen I SBC like Sh0velMan pointed out.

Jordo! · 04-23-2013, 08:54 AM

I can understand a desire to keep a Nissan motor in a Nissan car. In any case, for a personal project like this, the goal is clearly more than merely hitting a power level or having a certain number of cylinders.

Chuck33079 · 04-23-2013, 08:56 AM

I'm just looking forward to seeing a Z with V8 levels of torque, regardless of the manufacturer of the motor.

edub370 · 04-23-2013, 09:02 AM

i dont hate on it cuz its everywhere. i hate on it because it shows a complete lack of originality or thinking on your own. to have something that so many other people have would bother me. there's something to be said for doing something with the tools u have. not just saying "ah f*ck, just throw an LS in er."

Sh0velMan · 04-23-2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

i dont hate on it cuz its everywhere. i hate on it because it shows a complete lack of originality or thinking on your own. to have something that so many other people have would bother me. there's something to be said for doing something with the tools u have. not just saying "ah f*ck, just throw an LS in er."

So why are you driving a commercially produced automobile at all?

At the very least, you should have bought something older and put a completely random drive train in it, since being "original" is the whole point, right?

I'm thinking a Subaru Brat with a D series Honda motor.

That's more your style, surely!

04-22-2013, 06:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 28	There is a good reason why LS swaps are so popular. Now go figure it out. But if someone has the money who really loves the Z and is a die hard, then go ahead and do the VK56 swap. But you still wont be as fast as an LS implant equipped with the right parts. __________________ "America.... still builds rockets!" Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp '13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP

04-23-2013, 08:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	I don't get the LS hate. Sure, it's not new or original. It also makes loads of power, parts cost next to nothing, and it'll fit in just about anything. The VK swap is awesome, but you could probably be all in on a LS swap for the cost of the VK motor alone. Still, I can't wait to see how this turns out. Either way it's going to be a hell of a lot of fun to drive. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

04-23-2013, 08:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 21	This discussion is getting a little snobby lol A true enthusiast doesn't hate on an engine "because it's everywhere". It's everywhere for a reason, and that is for being a successful V8. Yes it has outdated technology and is not JDM but to tell me it won't put a smile on your face when swapped into a Z is nonsense. The LS engines work! The VK56 was never designed to race or go fast, it's an SUV/truck engine designed to haul and tow fat azz trucks around. If you have the extra money to convert it into a sportier engine then by all means. __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

04-23-2013, 08:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	I can understand a desire to keep a Nissan motor in a Nissan car. In any case, for a personal project like this, the goal is clearly more than merely hitting a power level or having a certain number of cylinders. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

04-23-2013, 08:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	I'm just looking forward to seeing a Z with V8 levels of torque, regardless of the manufacturer of the motor. G37Sam and DEpointfive0 like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

04-22-2013, 11:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
CC QUIK Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Vegas Posts: 83 Drives: 2012 370Z Rep Power: 13	to 1slow370, good luck and and all the best on your build. On the lookout for another Z, this time a 350. And yes, i plan to put an LS V8 in it. By the way, anybody have a house with a 5 car garage for sale? LOL

04-23-2013, 09:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 21	i dont hate on it cuz its everywhere. i hate on it because it shows a complete lack of originality or thinking on your own. to have something that so many other people have would bother me. there's something to be said for doing something with the tools u have. not just saying "ah f*ck, just throw an LS in er." MyKindaGuise likes this. __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

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