Cost of a vk56 swap

Kingbaby · 01-29-2012, 06:22 PM

But that's the American way shove America in it and it's 10 times better...

I always laugh at the ls projects cause as soon as it's done it's up for sale!

1slow370 · 01-31-2012, 03:56 AM

there's a guy in australia building a 2500hp vk56 slingshot ls's aren't some god king of the v8's, theres just a lot more of them, factory installed in sports cars, without truck manifolds and cams. the tech in an ls is 60yrs old at least ford finally went DOHC

Edit: will be buying motor in next couple weeks have money set aside so its a go. found a replacement for the intelligent key/ keyless start to rewire the door locks and add a nice alarm even remote start should i dare install one on a manual. the main boxes will be ms3, viper 5701 + custom built relay and diode board for doors and push start, racelogic traction control, standalone gauges, and painless or junkyard re-purposed fuse/relay/breaker box. I might wire 4 switches together as a simple 4-bit key combo on dash to start car too, as in flip the four switches to certain positions in order to power start button.

ImportConvert · 01-31-2012, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

i swear i'm gonna pistol whip the next person that stuffs an ls into another car. i think its time we start looking forward in the customizing world when we want power instead of using the default "shove an ls in it"

The wheel.
It needs to be re-invented why?

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby

But that's the American way shove America in it and it's 10 times better...

I always laugh at the ls projects cause as soon as it's done it's up for sale!

and you think this is because it has an American engine? I have seen FI 370Z's change hands so fast on this board that someone accused the seller of trying to sell someone else's car, lmao

ImportConvert · 01-31-2012, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

there's a guy in australia building a 2500hp vk56 slingshot ls's aren't some god king of the v8's, theres just a lot more of them, factory installed in sports cars, without truck manifolds and cams. the tech in an ls is 60yrs old at least ford finally went DOHC

Edit: will be buying motor in next couple weeks have money set aside so its a go. found a replacement for the intelligent key/ keyless start to rewire the door locks and add a nice alarm even remote start should i dare install one on a manual. the main boxes will be ms3, viper 5701 + custom built relay and diode board for doors and push start, racelogic traction control, standalone gauges, and painless or junkyard re-purposed fuse/relay/breaker box. I might wire 4 switches together as a simple 4-bit key combo on dash to start car too, as in flip the four switches to certain positions in order to power start button.

Cool story and all that, but the LS7 is still king of the NA V8 motors under $40-50K in price. Mercedes has one in their AMG car that makes about 50-75hp more IIRC ...and costs about 300% more.

DOHC isn't all it's cracked up to be. The 5.0 Coyote is a great engine, but it weighs about the same as the LS7 and produces far less power, especially at lower rpms.

GM experimented with DOHC designs and stuck with cam-in-block for a reason. These reasons have been detailed again and again and again, but suffice it to say when you have a 450# motor complete from manifold to oil-pan that will make over 500 horsepower and pass emissions, you have a winner. Now consider that it will produce over 500 horses at the TIRES with exhaust and a mild cam and a tune.

Technology is great, and I am sure someday it will bring us an engine lighter than the LS-series that can produce more horsepower, but so far it has failed to do so within 2-300% of the cost of the most expensive LS-engines available.

theDreamer · 01-31-2012, 10:18 AM

One of the reasons the LSx is so popular is, easy/cheap power, it fits any almost any engine bay, and did I say cheap/easy power?

Kingbaby · 01-31-2012, 04:25 PM

True...

Cmike2780 · 01-31-2012, 04:36 PM

The LS swap is awesome, but the VK would be cool to see. Personally would wonder if the GT-R powertrain can be shoehorned into the Z like they did with the Juke-R.

theDreamer · 01-31-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

The LS swap is awesome, but the VK would be cool to see. Personally would wonder if the GT-R powertrain can be shoehorned into the Z like they did with the Juke-R.

Anything is possible, with money, but the main issue with that in a Z is you will have to prep the front end for the power. Since the car is designed for RWD you could potentially twist the front.

Red__Zed · 01-31-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

One of the reasons the LSx is so popular is, easy/cheap power, it fits any almost any engine bay, and did I say cheap/easy power?

Then you add in the light weight and it is a no brainer. A ~400lb engine does a lot less to upset balance than a 500+ lbs monster.

Nixlimited · 01-31-2012, 05:01 PM

I would love to see this. Not really familiar with an 7 engine swaps.

1slow370 · 01-31-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

DOHC isn't all it's cracked up to be. The 5.0 Coyote is a great engine, but it weighs about the same as the LS7 and produces far less power, especially at lower rpms.

GM experimented with DOHC designs and stuck with cam-in-block for a reason. These reasons have been detailed again and again and again, but suffice it to say when you have a 450# motor complete from manifold to oil-pan that will make over 500 horsepower and pass emissions, you have a winner. Now consider that it will produce over 500 horses at the TIRES with exhaust and a mild cam and a tune.

Technology is great, and I am sure someday it will bring us an engine lighter than the LS-series that can produce more horsepower, but so far it has failed to do so within 2-300% of the cost of the most expensive LS-engines available.

in the 5.0's defence per your story if it's all price vs performance than a 5.0 that costs a fourth of an ls7 should only make a fourth the horsepower right?
the vk is good for 600hp in stock form same as an ls2/ls3 and they still cost twice as much at the yard. Titan motors are cheap, cheaper than a vq for that matter. if i wanted a car with an ls in it theres no point of putting it in a z go buy a corvette, if you want a car with a vk in it your SOL without a swap, i believe swaps should be done with motors from the same make unless none are available

ImportConvert · 01-31-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

in the 5.0's defence per your story if it's all price vs performance than a 5.0 that costs a fourth of an ls7 should only make a fourth the horsepower right?
the vk is good for 600hp in stock form same as an ls2/ls3 and they still cost twice as much at the yard. Titan motors are cheap, cheaper than a vq for that matter.

Where are you finding 5.0 Coyote's for $4K?

How much does that VK motor weigh?

1slow370 · 01-31-2012, 08:33 PM

503lbs 20-30 more than a vq37

ImportConvert · 01-31-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

503lbs 20-30 more than a vq37

Or about 50# more than a comparable LSX engine, and physically larger to boot.

1slow370 · 02-01-2012, 04:28 AM

yeah but looks better in a z and they can both make more than enough power to keep me happy so stfu and take your bitchin over to the why didn't i buy a corvette thread.

01-31-2012, 03:56 AM	#32 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	there's a guy in australia building a 2500hp vk56 slingshot ls's aren't some god king of the v8's, theres just a lot more of them, factory installed in sports cars, without truck manifolds and cams. the tech in an ls is 60yrs old at least ford finally went DOHC Edit: will be buying motor in next couple weeks have money set aside so its a go. found a replacement for the intelligent key/ keyless start to rewire the door locks and add a nice alarm even remote start should i dare install one on a manual. the main boxes will be ms3, viper 5701 + custom built relay and diode board for doors and push start, racelogic traction control, standalone gauges, and painless or junkyard re-purposed fuse/relay/breaker box. I might wire 4 switches together as a simple 4-bit key combo on dash to start car too, as in flip the four switches to certain positions in order to power start button. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 01-31-2012 at 04:14 AM.

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theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	One of the reasons the LSx is so popular is, easy/cheap power, it fits any almost any engine bay, and did I say cheap/easy power? __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 28	The LS swap is awesome, but the VK would be cool to see. Personally would wonder if the GT-R powertrain can be shoehorned into the Z like they did with the Juke-R. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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Nixlimited A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,235 Drives: 15 GT-R / 11 Prius Rep Power: 25	I would love to see this. Not really familiar with an 7 engine swaps. __________________ Car Sold! Pleasure being a part of the Z community. New ride: 2015 GT-R - 647 WHP / 641 WTQ (e85) & 543 WHP / 519 WTQ (91)

01-31-2012, 08:33 PM	#43 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	503lbs 20-30 more than a vq37 __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

02-01-2012, 04:28 AM	#45 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	yeah but looks better in a z and they can both make more than enough power to keep me happy so stfu and take your bitchin over to the why didn't i buy a corvette thread. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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