Everyone with oil temp issues

SoCal 370Z · 05-19-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman

And SoCal, I think he made it clear that we will be okay, no matter what your temps.

I already distrust him. There is a science to oil and if he is above said science then he'd better have developed newer lubricants that will tolerate "any temperatures."

Modshack · 05-19-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

I already distrust him. There is a science to oil and if he is above said science then he'd better have developed newer lubricants that will tolerate "any temperatures."

One man's "opinion" does not make it so....

SoCal 370Z · 05-19-2009, 02:11 PM

Well, that's all very, very nice, but look at what Nissan Japan is stating about the GT-R service intervals: Nissan Japan Lowers the Cost of GT-R Maintenance. Granted this is the GT-R engine, but at 266 F Nissan is stating to change your oil "As soon as possible." Sorry, not buying the Midwest Regional CS Manager's position (and it is not from Japan proper), but I am stating this in a nice way. If our engine goes deep six without an oil cooler as this appears to be an "option" and we are using our Z only as a daily driver, then Nissan shall be obligated to replace my engine under warranty.

Forrest · 05-19-2009, 03:15 PM

i highly agree with SoCal 370Z.

Logicly none of it is making sence. Its like saying nissan figured out getting your oil to run 300degree makes for a better race car and everybody else is stupid who trys to keep there oil coiler.

wstar · 05-19-2009, 04:47 PM

Well, I think the tell-tale piece of data here, as soon as we can acquire it, is the temperature setting they choose for the Nismo oil cooler option. If the above quotes via Weatherman are actually on the money, their thermostat must be at 230-240-ish rather than the 180 that's been discussed here.

TheWeatherman · 05-19-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Well, I think the tell-tale piece of data here, as soon as we can acquire it, is the temperature setting they choose for the Nismo oil cooler option. If the above quotes via Weatherman are actually on the money, their thermostat must be at 230-240-ish rather than the 180 that's been discussed here.

Yeah, I'm thinking that's when you're pounding on it though. When you're not, it's just not going to get that hot. It will protect it when you fly, and leave it run cool, as is, when cruising.

wstar · 05-19-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman

Yeah, I'm thinking that's when you're pounding on it though. When you're not, it's just not going to get that hot. It will protect it when you fly, and leave it run cool, as is, when cruising.

Are you saying you don't think they'd up the thermo temp given what you were told? We've seen pics of the Nismo core, it looks larger than Stillen's. A larger core with only a 180 thermo would easily keep the car at 200-212-ish and below in any reasonable kind of driving, and then when the daily driver does his limited spurts of performance driving, the temps would hardly have the chance to get up to more than say 230 before it was over. Even at the track, you'd have to do some pretty mean warmup to get up to 250+ for the ideal temps your Nissan guy was talking about.

To me this doesn't seem to add up with his statements about how banging on the engine with colder oil (what we consider normal, 180-220-ish, with spurts to 240 perhaps under hard conditions) is more detrimental than letting it run hot (250-280-ish).

So all I'm saying is, I expect the Nismo cooler option to have a thermo, and for that thermo to be set significantly higher than 180, for any of this to make sense. 220 would be reasonable, maybe 230-240 though given what he's saying.

My gut feeling is that their thermo, if any, will be at 180 and invalidate the guy, but I could be wrong.

wstar · 05-19-2009, 05:32 PM

Just read SoCal's GTR link too. They're stating an extended oil drain interval if you keep the oil under 230, a shorter (but reasonable) one if your oil is running in the 230-266 range, and 'change as soon as possible' if you break 266. Different engine (and different recommended oil), but it's still Nissan, it's still based on the same platform, and those numbers look a lot more reasonable and normal to me than the idea that 250-280 is 'ideal' for our engines when running hard.

spearfish25 · 05-19-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

My gut feeling is that their thermo, if any, will be at 180 and invalidate the guy, but I could be wrong.

Well, a bit more time and we'll have many of these answers. Don't overlook one very important piece of information TheWeatherman got for us. They are saying the Nismo Oil Cooler will be dealer installed and fully warranteed. Even if I have to pay for it out of pocket, that's a victory in itself.

Modshack · 05-19-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

So all I'm saying is, I expect the Nismo cooler option to have a thermo, and for that thermo to be set significantly higher than 180, for any of this to make sense. 220 would be reasonable, maybe 230-240 though given what he's saying.

My gut feeling is that their thermo, if any, will be at 180 and invalidate the guy, but I could be wrong.

Interesting that Mocal, one of the larger suppliers of Oil Contol systems makes the 180 degree thermo standard on all their thermostatic sandwich plates (what I just put on my car) Info: http://64.202.180.37/files/sp1t.pdf

Another interesting factoid: The High heat temperature that is used to calculate Viscosity in standardized oil testing is 212 degrees..

mannyz · 05-19-2009, 04:27 PM

I do understand where Nissan is coming from. They are just telling you that unless you are beating the hell out of the car, you will not get into the limb mode or shutdown, but if you do then you need to get the Oil Cooler. In othe words if you dont want your car to shutdown, drive it sloooowwwwllly!

I know when I talk to the Manager at the dealer he will tell me the same thing, but I already got an answer. Why will I get a Z, or GTR, or Corvette, etc if I cannot drive it as a sport car, if this is the reasoning behind the people who make the cars, then they should stop making sport cars, and that will force me to get a Prius, or Fusion, or a Hybrid car.

I still think, like everyone else, they should included the Oil Cooler, they made a Sport car, they should have more protection other than just ECU controlled. But thats my Opinion

I am a computer business man, is like if you want me to build you a gaming computer, and after heating problems I tell you "yea, you can play games, but no more than 2 hours, you need to let the computer rest, shut it down, wait an hour, then play for 2 more hours" o_O

SoCal 370Z · 05-19-2009, 04:30 PM

Nissan's official statement regarding overheating: Trailer queen.

spearfish25 · 05-19-2009, 07:17 PM

Just to play the devil's advocate...

When has anything you've read about the VQ engine been 'standard'? All I've ever seen about it is how it's extremely difficult to disassemble and modify, benefits from a special ester oil, has unconventional coatings on some of its surfaces...just to name a few.

I wouldn't be surprised if the engine was designed to run a bit hotter than some other motors people have previously experienced.

(ducking my head to avoid the flogging of ensuing replies)

Junior370z · 05-19-2009, 08:11 PM

I have a question... How much is their thermostatically controlled oil cooler going to run us? Sounds pricey especially if you add the dealers labor price. I'm thinking between $$-$$$!

ChrisSlicks · 05-19-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior370z

I have a question... How much is their thermostatically controlled oil cooler going to run us? Sounds pricey especially if you add the dealers labor price. I'm thinking between $$-$$$!

It will be over $1000 installed by the dealer.

05-19-2009, 02:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 35	Well, that's all very, very nice, but look at what Nissan Japan is stating about the GT-R service intervals: Nissan Japan Lowers the Cost of GT-R Maintenance. Granted this is the GT-R engine, but at 266 F Nissan is stating to change your oil "As soon as possible." Sorry, not buying the Midwest Regional CS Manager's position (and it is not from Japan proper), but I am stating this in a nice way. If our engine goes deep six without an oil cooler as this appears to be an "option" and we are using our Z only as a daily driver, then Nissan shall be obligated to replace my engine under warranty. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

05-19-2009, 04:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Well, I think the tell-tale piece of data here, as soon as we can acquire it, is the temperature setting they choose for the Nismo oil cooler option. If the above quotes via Weatherman are actually on the money, their thermostat must be at 230-240-ish rather than the 180 that's been discussed here. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-19-2009, 05:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Just read SoCal's GTR link too. They're stating an extended oil drain interval if you keep the oil under 230, a shorter (but reasonable) one if your oil is running in the 230-266 range, and 'change as soon as possible' if you break 266. Different engine (and different recommended oil), but it's still Nissan, it's still based on the same platform, and those numbers look a lot more reasonable and normal to me than the idea that 250-280 is 'ideal' for our engines when running hard. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-19-2009, 04:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 35	Nissan's official statement regarding overheating: Trailer queen. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

05-19-2009, 08:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Junior370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Age: 51 Posts: 1,024 Drives: over the speed limit Rep Power: 295	I have a question... How much is their thermostatically controlled oil cooler going to run us? Sounds pricey especially if you add the dealers labor price. I'm thinking between $$-$$$! __________________ DON'T DO IT! ( Click to show/hide ) Stillen CBECAI-U/D PulleyGround KitSwaysSetrab Oil CoolerIchiba Rear Camber KitAgility CoiloverBerk HFCTechnosquare TuneGT-R ButtonVenaci MeshSP Performance Cross Drilled/Slotted RotorsSPC Toe BoltsBomex LipMud flapsAero Jacket Type III WingSold

05-19-2009, 03:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Forrest Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: california 707! Posts: 677 Drives: 09 370z Blk 6mt sprt Rep Power: 260	i highly agree with SoCal 370Z. Logicly none of it is making sence. Its like saying nissan figured out getting your oil to run 300degree makes for a better race car and everybody else is stupid who trys to keep there oil coiler.

05-19-2009, 04:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
mannyz Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 354 Drives: a car Rep Power: 280	I do understand where Nissan is coming from. They are just telling you that unless you are beating the hell out of the car, you will not get into the limb mode or shutdown, but if you do then you need to get the Oil Cooler. In othe words if you dont want your car to shutdown, drive it sloooowwwwllly! I know when I talk to the Manager at the dealer he will tell me the same thing, but I already got an answer. Why will I get a Z, or GTR, or Corvette, etc if I cannot drive it as a sport car, if this is the reasoning behind the people who make the cars, then they should stop making sport cars, and that will force me to get a Prius, or Fusion, or a Hybrid car. I still think, like everyone else, they should included the Oil Cooler, they made a Sport car, they should have more protection other than just ECU controlled. But thats my Opinion I am a computer business man, is like if you want me to build you a gaming computer, and after heating problems I tell you "yea, you can play games, but no more than 2 hours, you need to let the computer rest, shut it down, wait an hour, then play for 2 more hours" o_O

05-19-2009, 07:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1858	Just to play the devil's advocate... When has anything you've read about the VQ engine been 'standard'? All I've ever seen about it is how it's extremely difficult to disassemble and modify, benefits from a special ester oil, has unconventional coatings on some of its surfaces...just to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if the engine was designed to run a bit hotter than some other motors people have previously experienced. (ducking my head to avoid the flogging of ensuing replies)

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