Well put.

Thank you Sir :tiphat:

Anytime :tiphat:

Why do you continually feel the need to flame the newsgroup like that? How do you think any of this stacks up against the newsgroup rules and limitations? If the moderator where here now, do you feel that all your actions wouldn't even raise and eyebrow.

How do you expect me to respect you if you can't even respect me first?

:confused:

:wtf: :iagree: If u don't own a Z and are not experiencing this problem and are not working for Nissan and helping us with a solution why are u here? Don't they have a forum for this guy and his '82 300SD MB :confused: Mr. antennahead thank you i couldn't have said it better :happydance: SHAKE! AND BAKE!

My Z33 was blessed by the car gods and got the nod of approval to spank all trolls with Hyandais, Hondas, and Benz's.


I'm sure I just murdered the English language with that sentence. :)

In all honesty, my theory is that something happened on the assembly line for a series of cars. It's probably that simple, but whatever's done is done. Sucks that Nissan is making Z owners jump through hoops to replace engines, but I suppose they want to get to the bottom of it and protect themselves.

???? I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about here. No one's had to jump through hoops to get engines replaced where warranted. The few instances here have either self destucted from an internal parts failure, or been excessive oil users (more than a quart per thousand miles). There have been no heat related failures or warranty replacements...

FYI, let me tell you something. At ZCON09, I met with a few Nissan people and one of them who helped design the Z, as well as Autech. The guy from Autech rode in my car on the track and we talked.

They brought their own 370z NISMO out to the track. If Nissan didn't think it would be a issue, then how come they put the damn oil cooler on the car that was there and not the production models? I even asked them this, and they are aware of the issues. Sadly, I have owned so many Nissan's in my years that I know them too damn well. I know them well enough that they don't give a crap on this issue to resolve it for everyone like other automakers. You are on your own.

Issues that are only issues on the track are not Nissan's responsibility to resolve.

Which proves NIZMOZ's point, right? For the record, I actually agree with you that track-only issues aren't Nissan's responsibility to fix. Of course, some companies go above and beyond their bare minimum responsibilities in an effort to keep their customers happy; evidently, Nissan isn't one of them. But that's neither here nor there. The only point I'm trying to make here is that your response perfectly exemplifies the 'not our problem, we don't give a crap' attitude that NIZMOZ is talking about. (I mean, considering that you work for Nissan Corporate and all.)

So is your answer that everyone who buys a 370Z ought to have to cough up another $800-1,000 per vehicle so they can get an engine oil cooler even though only a tiny percentage of buyers actually need it? Does that really make sense?

It would be nice if every 370Z had a engine oil cooler but no car can be everything to everybody and every mas produced vehicle is a collection of compromises. Further, and perhaps most importantly, nothing is free and while you may be more than willing to pay the extra cost for a factory fix not everyone would be - for every person on this or related enthusiast's board screaming for a factory oil cooler there are probably 500 who truly don't care and wouldn't want to pay an extra nickle for a engine oil cooler (nor will ever need one).

Oil coolers don't cost $800-$1000, Robert. Especially not when purchased at manufacturer volumes. They don't even cost that much at full retail. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from. In any case, I never said that I think all 370Zs should come equipped with oil coolers standard. I do think a simple way to end all the bickering on this issue would be for Nissan to offer it as a dealer-installed option (kinda like how some companies offer ceramic brakes as options for those customers who feel they actually need them). But whatever. I don't really care, to be honest. I agree with everyone else that oil coolers aren't really needed for regular street use.

Having said all that, I don't see what your response has to do with my post. You're putting words into my mouth. All I did was point out that you pretty much proved NIZMOZ's point about the apathetic attitude of Nissan Corporate. I was making a point about the attitude inherent in your response to him. Nothing more. I didn't say a single thing about anything else. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not accuse you of deliberately trying to change the subject with a straw man argument (i.e., knocking down an argument that I never even made). ;)

That why this thread is 71 pages long.. lol

I don't accept the premise that it's a "not our problem" attitude at Nissan.

Regardless of what you or anyone might think an engine oil cooler might cost Nissan, nothing is free or inexpensive. Even making something an option; even a dealer installed option costs money - lots of money and this is not an time for any manufacturer to be spending any more money on anything than it has to.

:drama:

Yes, there are so many variables here........... the degree to which you "push" the car in street driving, and that CAN BE within the legal speed limits and not reckless, driving patterns (open road versus gridlock), where you reside ........... south Georgia in the summer is nothing like South Dakota, and how you feel about higher temps affecting performance and engine life. Some don't worry as long as they don't hit "limp mode", others see prolonged temps of 250 to 260 as worrysome. What I don't understand is all the battle line being drawn over this. If you live if a hot climate and see higher temps, and it bothers you, get an oil cooler........... if you meet that same criteria and the higher temps don't bother you, leave it alone. It seems to me most of the angst comes from the "you don't need a cooler for street use if you don't hit limp mode" group. They seem to get offended at the group seeing higher temps that want a cooler. We have pretty much seen Nissan's answer to this a few months back. So my position is if you see higher temps and they bother you get a cooler. I will probably add one next spring. Would it have been nice if Nissan had placed a cooler on these cars from the factory, of course. Would it have been nice if Nissan had made it an option from day one to purchase one aftermarket, yes........ but I don't think beating a dead horse will change their position.

John

You mean like this?

http://images108.fotki.com/v1583/pho...e234512-vi.gif

:tup:

Well of course you don't, you work for them. But whether you like it or not, that's how many of your customers perceive the company you work for (it's not just over this single issue either). And in my opinion, you reinforced this perception by virtue of how you responded to NIZMOZ. He made the claim that Nissan has a 'not our problem' attitude, and instead of offering up some reasons why you feel he's off the mark on that claim, your response was a terse 'It's not Nissan's responsibility'. I don't know, maybe that sounds warm, caring, and customer-friendly to you. To me, not so much. That was my only point. Oh btw, the belief that Nissan has a 'not our problem' attitude isn't a premise, it's a conclusion, i.e., it is something that NIZMOZ has concluded from his many years of Nissan ownership experience.

lmao

is that the dude from office space beating the sh!t out of the printer! :bowrofl:

ok..ok...

this is what nissan needs to do for the z...

come up with some kind of option package, i.e. sports package and call it a "track package"

oil cooler
stiffer sways
better struts
better brake pads..etc...

then atleast if people want to spend an extra few thousand they have theirselves a track ready out the door z :D

Well that would be too expensive, according to Robert. And "this is not an [sic] time for any manufacturer to be spending any more money on anything than it has to." Kinda makes you wonder why they made nav an option, doesn't it? They should have just either not offered it or made everyone pony up the extra $3k for it. :rolleyes:

honestly, i woud have spent the extra money for the track package...

nissan would still profit from it..

hell they profit from the sport and nav package...so it only stands to reason they would profit from a track package as well...

just my :twocents:

They aren't only issues on the track. Part of our discussion discussed it happening on regular roads with aggressive driving and 100 degree temps.

But for the common driver, it shouldn't happen. But it is "STILL" a problem as other cars in the past do not have issues like this on the track.

I would have too. But in all fairness, Robert does have a point. The more different options and packages you have, the more expensive overall production is. That's part of the reason Nissan streamlined all the different trim lines they had for the 350 down to just two for the 370. Standardization means increased efficiency. (Didn't they have like four or five different trim lines for the 350 at one point?)

true...good point...

i never followed the 350...so i couldnt tell ya what options were out there...

:tup: Good call, kdo! It is, indeed! ;)

Sooooooo i'm s@#$ out of luck with my high oil temps is what i'm hearing, right? I would have paid for a track package just as i paid for the sport package but it wasn't offered. I have never been on the track and don't live in a hot climate yet my oil temp has been btween 240 and 260 at times. The dealership says "that's normal, the car should be fine, as long as it doesn't go in the red, nissan builds great engines. We haven't had any other complaints of oil temps" Yeah right pull this leg and it plays Jingle Bells. I love the car and willing to paying for a oil cooler but dont want to void the warranty. I bought this car to DRIVE it, if not i would've bought a cube. I change the(nissan recommended ester) oil approx. every 1500 miles what else can i do? :shakes head: So basically the sport package i paid for is for stopping quicker, better handling and looks because if i stay on the gas pedal the engine will melt! WTF!

How many miles do you have on your engine so far? The experience of most members here is that, as the miles accumulate and the engine settles in, the temps drop. Switching to a synthetic has also been shown to drop temps. So unless you already have like 10k miles accumulated or something like that, I wouldn't panic just yet. Also, installing an oil cooler will not void your warranty unless you have an engine failure that can be directly attributed to said oil cooler.

Expensive overkill! No offense, but the name Ricky Bobby makes me think you drive really hard on the street......

In theory the Nizmo should be the ultimate track package, however it comes with neither the oil cooler or brakes required despite the $6000 premium over the sport package.

Poll ?
 

Why doesn't someone start a poll to see just how many would have gotten an "Oil Cooler Option" if it had been offered from Nissan ?

Whoa!!! Long time no see, bud!

Okay, I made a poll. Enjoy.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ed-option.html

my opinion
 

for what its worth
I now have 16000 miles on my 370 and the highest the temps have been are 245. I have modded my car , gen3 intake , modded grill to let more air into intake and radiator , Headers , berk cats , FI exhaust , technosquare reflash , and many other small things to lighten and balance car better. I have also ordered the nismo rear diff cover and am installing a tranny and oil cooler. Do I wish the car already came this way ? Hell yes !! Most people will never drive there z as hard as I will on occaision and I will keep my car for longer than most and want to take the very best care of it I can !
I live in Fort Worth Texas and have driven in stop and go traffic at 100+ degree and in normal driving my oil Never gets over 215.
When I got it to 245 I was racing a modded NSX for 25 min on closed course at speeds fro 50 to over 150 either braking hard or wide open , at 50 degrees outside temp.
This is a sports car and driven agressively on the street will never need a oil cooler , BUT racing on the street or track , of course it needs one and all the other things that we feel our cars need to play like we want to play.
Damn there are some whiners on here , but most of us are really enjoying our cars , and doing what we want to with them .
This car is twice the car my 84 300z was and priced about the same (allowing for inflation). So my vote is either fix your car like you want it or shut the #### up and stop putting negative **** on this great website.
I love all the info and ideas on here , LOVE the constructive stuff and amused by the complainers !

DavidL.............+10

today my car was at 235F in stop and go traffic on the highway, 50F outside. doesn't this seem a bit much? is 240F is the limp mode cutoff?

Robert,

There are costs to Nissan that are not evident at their point of sale. In my case it is in the lack of future points of sale. Five laps on the track and I sold the Z and went back to Porsche. There won't be any more Nissan products in my garage.

The big question I still have, and everyone on here should as well, is why did Nissan put oil and diff. coolers on cars and then put them in the hands of journalists on the very thing they say they have no responsibility for? The track!!!

Robert, why don't you ask corporate why they did that and get back to us with their response.