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Modshack 11-25-2009 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295508)
Frankly, I don't think manufacturers voiding warranties from any issues resulting or that may have resulted from competition and/or competition parts is either unusual or unreasonable.
:iagree: Very true

ChrisSlicks 11-25-2009 11:54 AM
I'm willing to deal with breakages subject to my own abuse myself. The only part I want Nissan to cover for a couple of years is the engine itself, which should be able to stand up to some auto-x and HPDE track time.

semtex 11-25-2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295508)
Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what some New York ad agency does in commercials.
This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!" :ugh: :confused:

Robert_Nash 11-25-2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 295568)
This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!" :ugh: :confused:
Because they can.

Because people want them.

They excite people and bring people into the showrooms (even people who can't buy them either for $ reasons or practical reasons).

Engineers like designing performance cars.

Auto executives like building performance cars.

How many more reasons do you want???

However, most manufacturers aren't going to risk bankrupting themselves by telling people they can go race their cars on a track somewhere.

Modshack 11-25-2009 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 295568)
I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!"
Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uG0Ba-wef6M&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uG0Ba-wef6M&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

antennahead 11-25-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 295680)
Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uG0Ba-wef6M&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always">


:iagree: Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more :tup:

"How dare they entice children to drive recklessly and pollute the environment like that" :p :rolleyes:

Modshack 11-25-2009 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by antennahead (Post 295690)
:iagree: Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more :tup:

"How dare they entice children to drive recklessly and pollute the environment like that" :p :rolleyes:
Yeah, that's a great one!

Here's the Bike ad that got us into trouble...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PGfJ9IqXcoE&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PGfJ9IqXcoE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

ricky bobby 11-25-2009 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295319)
There wasn't really anything to solve.

I was as concerned as anyone reading all the doom and gloom posts (such as are in this thread). Early in my coupe's life the oil temps were reaching into the 250's with hard driving (notably on the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway). But, it never got much above that and I never went into limp mode. Even with hard autocrossing; and hard runs on the Dragon, the Hellbender, the Skyway and the Devil's Triangle (to name a few) and a several thousand mile trip down Route 66 through 100+ degree days and southwestern desert and into Las Vegas I never encountered a problem with the oil temps and with using the Ester oil (as I've done without fail) and as the miles have added the temps have even dropped from the highest I've experienced.

My discussion with my mechanic friend, who I've mentioned before, also said there was a non-issue unless tracking the car. When he talks about Nissans I listen - not only has he been building and racing Nissans for 30+ years but his shop is the shop Nissan uses to maintain the heritage collection...Nissan trusts him and so do I.

I'd love to see the factory add an oil and/or transmission cooler; at least as an option but I doubt if more than 5% of the people who buy a 370 would ever actually need the option and I suspect that anyone routinely tracking their car would still need to add a larger oil cooler even if the factory supplied one so the option likely wouldn't even benefit those who probably most need it meaning it would be a wast of Nissan's money to do the tooling and design changes necessary to even offer it (and if they put them on every 370 then everyone would actually wind up paying for something they likely don't even need).

With that said, my questions to you are why are you still "here" and still, apparently, upset about this (at least upset enough to keep posting in this thread)?

I'm not suggesting you can't or shouldnt' be here - obviously you have as much right as anyone to be here but I don't see the point unless you just want to bash the 370. Why don't you just go out and enjoy your new Porsche and let us enjoy or Z's.



P.S. For anyone not familiar withe the Dragon, Devil's Triangle, etc. I mentioned above; just google "The Tail Of The Dragon" and you'll pull up a ton of information about these roads/routes...truly some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces of asphalt anywhere in the world.
+1 Plus the update of oil temps makes me feel better :bowdown:i only have 4600 miles on mine i'm gonna have to drive it more and add on the miles, unfortunately its supposed to snow today :shakes head: but besides that:worship::worship:

ChrisSlicks 11-25-2009 03:18 PM
And Nissan would never encourage such illegal driving.

Perhaps you remember - The Run?

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Youtube - The Run

antennahead 11-25-2009 03:30 PM
No aggressive driving here :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snsLdiQBQ7M&feature=related

Robert_Nash 11-25-2009 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 295680)
Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or
Man...what a shame that commercial got pulled.

When I was a kid I use to sit for hours in my Mom/Dad's cars (and we had some great ones) as well as my Uncle's '67 GTO and dream of the day I could drive something like it.

370Zsteve 11-25-2009 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 295361)
370Zsteve,

Bottom line out of the box the Cayman S beats the 370Z. Yes it costs more to do that. However, while at the track there have been far too many Z's sitting on hot days watching the Caymans roll onto the track. I'd suggest you (A) go out in a stock 09 Cayman S on track and do a back to back run in (B) a stock 370Z. Find a cool day and track so you can complete part B if you haven't added your oil cooler.

For my 370Z track experience on the one and only weekend at the track I was able to get 5 laps before the oil went north. So, $36000/5 laps for the weekend = $7200/lap or $72000/110 laps for the weekend = $654/lap. That's an order of magnitude cheaper on the first weekend. You know what they say about first impressions. :stirthepot:

I haven't had anyone from Porsche telling me not to use my launch control nor have they reprogrammed it. And as I've said before under 'choice' I think the GTR is just plain ugly. Others find the Cayman ugly and I personally have no affinity towards the Panamera.

The 370Z continues to be a good bang for the buck. And from there you can go both ways.

As to why I continue to post here I feel the $36000 Nissan entry fee should allow me to write all I want.

Edit: This is in no way intended to offend any of the many people on this forum with whom I have had numerous and meaningful conversations!
The 370Z was never meant to be a competitor to the Cayman S. But with a few thousand dollar in mods, a 370Z will eat a Cayman S for breakfast.

Compare a GT-R to a Cayman S if you want serious discussion. Of course you will have to deal with people laughing at you.

Personaly, I find Mr Nash's purchase of both a coupe and roadster Z to be a much more intelligent choice than your overpriced, hideously ugly piece of Teutonic trash. Imagine, 2 high performance sports cars for the price of one. Heh heh.

As for the GT-R, I once wondered what all the excitement was. Now of course I know. As for it's looks, I hated it. But man it's grown on me. After spending time in dealerships lately, I've had a lot of opportunity to look the car over. I find it the most aggressively beautiful auto I've seen in years.

Now, back to the Porsche forum - you can talk with all the periodontists about how awesome the Cayman is. :tup:

Now back to this overused, tired, beaten-to-death, useless thread. :icon14:

LiquidZ 11-25-2009 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 295746)
And Nissan would never encourage such illegal driving.

Perhaps you remember - The Run?

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Youtube - The Run
I remember my father playing that DVD on the big screen when he got his '03. It gave me goosebumps.

370Zsteve 11-26-2009 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by antennahead (Post 295760)
"Want....Need....Same Difference". Yeah that's about right.

NIZMOZ 11-26-2009 05:00 PM
The Z period was meant to go after Porsche on design and performance. Whoever says it didn't needs to look up the history of the Z.

vortrex 11-26-2009 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 295874)
The 370Z was never meant to be a competitor to the Cayman S. But with a few thousand dollar in mods, a 370Z will eat a Cayman S for breakfast.
oh boy, let's be realistic here. I know you just bought a 370z so now it's the greatest car in the world but come on. I would love to know what these "few thousand dollar in mods" are that turn the 370z into a cayman S eater.

alan93rsa 11-26-2009 08:51 PM
370ZSteve,

This is a previous post I made on modding a Z in response to 5th gear's article on the Z vs Cayman. Read it and see my already stated position on the Z with mods.

And for modding a Z, I've been there and done it years ago. I waited until one day after my warranty expired to pull the engine on my 280Z and do a Scarab conversion. Look up the Scarab.

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I just traded my 370Z sports/touring/MT last week for an '08' Cayman S. I got a great deal on the S and a good price for my Z.

I haven't had the opportunity to take out the S yet for a good run but it is a nice car. The sound of the engine behind your head negates the desire to turn on the radio. The engine is extremely smooth all the way to the red line. True it's a little smoother over the bumps but mine is on 18" rubber, for now.

If you shop around there are leftover new '08' S models for $47000 with little to no options. So, it might only be a $10k stretch from a loaded MT 370Z to the '08' Cayman S. Of course you'd need to add an additional $1500 for a limited slip in the Cayman S. Three years post purchase you might get half of that delta back in resale value.

On the other hand there's a lot to be said for taking a 370Z with the extra $10k and seeing what pops out the other side. :tup:
Robert, keep up the PR. If you worked for Yugo you'd no doubt have two in the garage.

As to pity. In today's economy anyone willing to spend $36K on a Z has to be a car enthusiast. I don't pity anyone in that category. We share a common passion.

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370Zsteve 11-26-2009 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 297017)
370ZSteve,

This is a previous post I made on modding a Z in response to 5th gear's article on the Z vs Cayman. Read it and see my already stated position on the Z with mods.

And for modding a Z, I've been there and done it years ago. I waited until one day after my warranty expired to pull the engine on my 280Z and do a Scarab conversion. Look up the Scarab.



Robert, keep up the PR. If you worked for Yugo you'd no doubt have two in the garage.

As to pity. In today's economy anyone willing to spend $36K on a Z has to be a car enthusiast. I don't pity anyone in that category. We share a common passion.

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Alan, I find you a condescending fop. Can't figure out your obsession with Robert nor your obsession with a forum for a car you dislike. very odd.

370Zsteve 11-26-2009 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by vortrex (Post 296872)
oh boy, let's be realistic here. I know you just bought a 370z so now it's the greatest car in the world but come on. I would love to know what these "few thousand dollar in mods" are that turn the 370z into a cayman S eater.
Haven't had it over 4K, so my enthusiasm is tempered. What the hell, a Cayman S has a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds. Not that this is the only criteria for a beating, of course. I'd say $6000 in mods to a 370Z should do it nicely. Stillen Intake, Berk HFC , Stillen exhaust. Leaving another $20000+ still in your pocket vs a $61000 Cayman S. That would buy a lot of track time.

Besides, the Cayman..it's..ugly. It's a 911 gone horribly wrong. You won't find many who could say that about a 370Z - with any conviction.

ricky bobby 11-27-2009 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 297092)

the Cayman..it's..ugly. It's a 911 gone horribly wrong. You won't find many who could say that about a 370Z - with any conviction.
:iagree: i seriously was considering the cayman but its like saying i cant afford a 911 so i settled for its step child. And screw paying maintenance costs for a step child, when u know u really want a 911. I rather build the Z its fuggin beautiful. And Thats That!:worship:

370Zsteve 11-27-2009 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 296868)
The Z period was meant to go after Porsche on design and performance. Whoever says it didn't needs to look up the history of the Z.
It was designed to go after the Cayman. It succeeded. Nissan has a storied history of attacking (and defeating) Porsche on the track. And with the GT-R now taking the crown from the Porsche GT3, Nissan is attacking on two fronts.

Why not go after them on the street? :tup:

AK, please close this thread. LOL, it is O/T to the max. :wtf2:

alan93rsa 11-27-2009 01:53 PM
The world according to Steve :bowrofl:


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Alan, I find you a condescending fop.
This is about what I was told to expect from you. You're like a cat jumping for a reflection on a wall. Just keeps banging the wall with nothing to show for the effort.

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Can't figure out your obsession with Robert nor your obsession
Robert played down the oil issue early on while posting to the contrary in another thread. You can't have it both ways at the same time.

AK370, I won't post again.

kdo2milger 11-27-2009 07:05 PM
alan you have a pm.

avitech 11-28-2009 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 297306)
It was designed to go after the Cayman. It succeeded. Nissan has a storied history of attacking (and defeating) Porsche on the track. And with the GT-R now taking the crown from the Porsche GT3, Nissan is attacking on two fronts.

Why not go after them on the street? :tup:

AK, please close this thread. LOL, it is O/T to the max. :wtf2:
I'm sure Porsche is actually going to lose some business because of the new 370Z. There would also be much less people in the market for a used Porsche as well which would help lower the price tag. How funny is that to think that Nissan could create something that would cause some Porsche roadsters to depreciate a little more than they would have.

Robert_Nash 11-28-2009 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 297563)
...Robert played down the oil issue early on while posting to the contrary in another thread. You can't have it both ways at the same time.
I believe I explained my position then and now quite well in my opinion; sorry if that wasn't sufficient for you.

Perhaps you should look up ALL my posts on this issue before you start labeling me a liar (albeit in an indirect way). If you had bothered to look up my posts you would find that the only thing that has really changed were that my earlier concerns were replaced by (at this point) nine months and nearly 17,000 miles of real-world experience which has shown me this "problem" isn't really much of a problem at all except for a few.

I can't help but find it odd that you sold your 370 and have since, if I understood your earlier posts correctly, bought not one but two different Cayman's all for the sake of a $800-$1,000 oil cooler not being on the 370 from the factory...around here, spending the kind of money you've spent all for the sake of $1K oil cooler is what we call trying to make your point the hard (or at least the expensive) way.

ricky bobby 11-29-2009 01:51 AM
:worship:

370Zsteve 11-29-2009 07:10 AM
Nissan wins on the track, Nissan wins in this thread.

:owned:

muhrad370z 11-29-2009 05:52 PM
yea i agree i went to nissan yesterday and was complaining too the square bear that was taking care of my issue. Basically if they dont own the actual car, they think its because of the owners "drivability issue". They hooked it up too the computer and couldnt find any stored codes and they know the cars never been in limp mode.so be careful too not dog yours z's out too hard or some codes will store and they will try to void your warranty if something happens because of high oil temps.

MANGAN 11-30-2009 12:12 PM
Oil temp probs
 
HAS ANYONE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY A REMEDY (VIA NISSAN) - THIS IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF - NOT SURE WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT...ANY ASSISTANCE WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

STEVEN.MANGAN@YAHOO.COM:mad:

semtex 11-30-2009 12:18 PM
This is Nissan's official position on this matter:

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Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

Modshack 11-30-2009 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MANGAN (Post 301023)
HAS ANYONE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY A REMEDY (VIA NISSAN) - THIS IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF - NOT SURE WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT...ANY ASSISTANCE WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

STEVEN.MANGAN@YAHOO.COM:mad:
Remedy for what?

If you're tracking, put on a cooler per Nissans Rec's. If a street car, the potential of hitting limp (280 degrees) is pretty slim so you don't really have a problem. If it's just a matter of you not liking the temps, then put on a cooler. Nissan says it's OK..

avitech 12-01-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 301035)
This is Nissan's official position on this matter:
Oh thank heavens. This is the best news I've heard all week. Since Nissan will be supplying the oil cooler it helps take all the guesswork out of this type of modification. Kudos to Nissan for listening to the customers complaints and taking some action. The pen is mightier than the sword.

:driving:

kdo2milger 12-01-2009 03:44 PM
:bowrofl:
-1 rep for you!

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Originally Posted by avitech (Post 302772)
Oh thank heavens. This is the best news I've heard all week. Since Nissan will be supplying the oil cooler it helps take all the guesswork out of this type of modification. Kudos to Nissan for listening to the customers complaints and taking some action. The pen is mightier than the sword.

:driving:

Modshack 12-01-2009 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by avitech (Post 302772)
Oh thank heavens. This is the best news I've heard all week. Since Nissan will be supplying the oil cooler it helps take all the guesswork out of this type of modification. Kudos to Nissan for listening to the customers complaints and taking some action. The pen is mightier than the sword.

:driving:
What the hell are you talking about? Can you not read? Nissan's doing NOTHING. This is all on your dime if you chose to pursue this route.

antennahead 12-01-2009 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 302781)
What the hell are you talking about? Can you not read? Nissan's doing NOTHING. This is all on your dime if you chose to pursue this route.
No he can't read, remember his previous posts..... then he got mad and attacked me and my city :roflpuke2:

Zsteve 12-01-2009 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by avitech (Post 298702)
I'm sure Porsche is actually going to lose some business because of the new 370Z. There would also be much less people in the market for a used Porsche as well which would help lower the price tag. How funny is that to think that Nissan could create something that would cause some Porsche roadsters to depreciate a little more than they would have.
I highly doubt that Porsche is going to lose any customers. If you can afford one then you will get one, beside the US is only a very small fraction of their sales. Most buy Porsche for the status of it and not for a super fast car. Different demographics there.

avitech 12-01-2009 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 302781)
What the hell are you talking about? Can you not read? Nissan's doing NOTHING. This is all on your dime if you chose to pursue this route.
Wow you got me all wrong. I never said that Nissan would be PAYING for the oil cooler. All I said is that Nissan will provide the part for those who want to pursue that route.

You just misunderstood me. That's all.

Once again. There is nothing wrong with the original design. But for those who want more performance out of their Z, an aftermarket item is available through Nissan.

ricky bobby 12-02-2009 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by avitech (Post 303065)
Wow you got me all wrong. I never said that Nissan would be PAYING for the oil cooler. All I said is that Nissan will provide the part for those who want to pursue that route.

You just misunderstood me. That's all.

Once again. There is nothing wrong with the original design. But for those who want more performance out of their Z, an aftermarket item is available through Nissan.
Dude, do you even have a Z?:confused: Aren't you the guy that won't go over 80? What you need an oil cooler for?

antennahead 12-02-2009 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ricky bobby (Post 303676)
Dude, do you even have a Z?:confused: Aren't you the guy that won't go over 80? What you need an oil cooler for?
That's him....... baseball has Mr. 3000 , we have "Mr.< 80" :p

370Zsteve 12-02-2009 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 302964)
I highly doubt that Porsche is going to lose any customers. If you can afford one then you will get one, beside the US is only a very small fraction of their sales. Most buy Porsche for the status of it and not for a super fast car. Different demographics there.
Maybe not new Porsches, but I can say that a used Cayman was on my radar. I tested one, loved it, but could not get around the look of it. So I bought a new Z and saved money too. :tup:

Agree about the status aspect, at least around these parts. My dentist has a leased 911 Turbo. She confessed she does not drive it all that hard except when she accelerates onto the freeway :icon14:.


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