Everyone with oil temp issues

spearfish25 · 04-26-2009, 06:43 AM

Three powerful little words:

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT

My brother-in-law is an attorney. I'm going to speak with him about the issue and see if someone at their firm can take it on.

tbonesteak · 04-26-2009, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25

Three powerful little words:

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT

My brother-in-law is an attorney. I'm going to speak with him about the issue and see if someone at their firm can take it on.

antennahead · 04-26-2009, 11:21 AM

I had a 2006 oil burner. I hope this isn't "deja vu all over again", as Yogi would say

John

7sudden · 04-26-2009, 11:28 AM

I picked up my 370z Friday night in Phoenix. (82 degrees) -I then drove approx 200mi home, averaging 70-80mph and varying RPMs etc. I never saw temp get past 220degrees

Car now has 291mi on it. After reading this thread, I took the car out and warmed it up. (60 degrees) Then I drove it hard for about 20min, including a few short bursts into 5000-6000rpm range. It still seems to cap out at 220degrees.

Am I just not driving it to the point of soliciting higher temps? My particular car appears to be a newer car (VIN number 5xxx). Could Nissan have fixed/changed something? Calibrated the sensor, etc? Am I just lucky?

Living in Arizona, this is going to be a concern to me. I would like to replicate the problem if my car has it. If it doesn't, I will start focusing on other upgrades/improvements.

If it does... I will demand the dealer fix it, or return my car.

ChrisSlicks · 04-26-2009, 01:05 PM

We had an 80 degree day yesterday at the auto-x, was hitting 260 on the oil temp after every single run. Between runs it would cool down to between 230-240.

Musashi · 04-26-2009, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7sudden

I picked up my 370z Friday night in Phoenix. (82 degrees) -I then drove approx 200mi home, averaging 70-80mph and varying RPMs etc. I never saw temp get past 220degrees

Car now has 291mi on it. After reading this thread, I took the car out and warmed it up. (60 degrees) Then I drove it hard for about 20min, including a few short bursts into 5000-6000rpm range. It still seems to cap out at 220degrees.

Am I just not driving it to the point of soliciting higher temps? My particular car appears to be a newer car (VIN number 5xxx). Could Nissan have fixed/changed something? Calibrated the sensor, etc? Am I just lucky?

Living in Arizona, this is going to be a concern to me. I would like to replicate the problem if my car has it. If it doesn't, I will start focusing on other upgrades/improvements.

If it does... I will demand the dealer fix it, or return my car.

The conditions for overheating weren't met. In my personal experience the car only overheated at the track. However the weather prior to me installing the oil cooler was only up to 60 degrees as a high. Today it was almost 90 and when I was sitting in traffic my oil temp rose to 220, once I started driving it quickly cooled down to 180. Also at the track now the car does NOT overheat. It was able to handle full back to back sessions. I think the cold air intake helps also.

My concern is for owners that live in hot & humid climates and frequently get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic when commuting.

frost · 04-26-2009, 08:13 PM

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Seems a lot of people are interested in this issue.

antennahead · 04-26-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musashi

The conditions for overheating weren't met. In my personal experience the car only overheated at the track. However the weather prior to me installing the oil cooler was only up to 60 degrees as a high. Today it was almost 90 and when I was sitting in traffic my oil temp rose to 220, once I started driving it quickly cooled down to 180. Also at the track now the car does NOT overheat. It was able to handle full back to back sessions. I think the cold air intake helps also.

My concern is for owners that live in hot & humid climates and frequently get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic when commuting.

"My concern is for owners that live in hot & humid climates and frequently get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic when commuting."

This would be me. May through September it can be 90+ degrees with 90+ humidity. I predict in bumper to bumper traffic it breaks 280......... this will not be a "track only" issue IMO.

John

SoCal 370Z · 04-26-2009, 10:00 PM

it you do a web search this issue is cropping up elsewhere as potential buyers are considering the 370Z. It's becoming a hot topic!

NeedforZ · 04-26-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

It's becoming a hot topic!

hehe, pun intended

RCZ · 04-26-2009, 10:17 PM

Here's my view on it. Just like in medicine, the most important step in healthcare (and the cheapest solution) is preventive care. You take care of the problems before they become problems and the final bill you have to pay is a fraction of the one you have to pay when you ignore these problems. Would be nice if this applied right? Oh well...

Nissan, as the multinational multi-billion dollar company that they are, should be well aware of this fact by now. They have smart people working in their company and trust me when I tell you guys that they already had their analysts go through the data of what it will cost them.

In my personal view, Nissan isn't going to do anything for us and we are SOL.

Think about it...the Z is only a small fraction of their business and of that small fraction...only a smaller fraction actually run into this problem because we track the car. Now which one is cheaper....to a) recall the cars/offer oil coolers at the dealer. or b) deal with the few folks who are going to get pissed and maybe blow up their cars from heat. The answer is pretty damn simple. Some people on the internet aren't very bright so I'll spell it out for you; It is cheaper for Nissan to ignore the problem than to take care of us with oil coolers.

Chances are NOBODYS car is going to blow up from heat on the street. If it happens, it will happen on the track, where it won't be covered by Nissan warranty anyway.

So folks... the only reason Nissan would ever do anything is because they have an ounce of moral fiber or because they care in the slightest bit for their customers. The one decent thing they could do is not be stupid against people with oil coolers, because if they do, then the natives will be restless and this will become very very public information for future Nissan 370Z buyers.

Sadly, the odds don't look good for us.

SoCal 370Z · 04-26-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

In my personal view, Nissan isn't going to do anything for us and we are SOL.

Nissan will unless owners start filing a complaint with the NHTSA. I suspect Nissan will try to get away with it at first, as the others do, by issuing a service bulletin, which basically means service departments will only do something if they see fit. A recall forces Nissan's hand.

antennahead · 04-26-2009, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

Here's my view on it. Just like in medicine, the most important step in healthcare (and the cheapest solution) is preventive care. You take care of the problems before they become problems and the final bill you have to pay is a fraction of the one you have to pay when you ignore these problems. Would be nice if this applied right? Oh well...

Nissan, as the multinational multi-billion dollar company that they are, should be well aware of this fact by now. They have smart people working in their company and trust me when I tell you guys that they already had their analysts go through the data of what it will cost them.

In my personal view, Nissan isn't going to do anything for us and we are SOL.

Think about it...the Z is only a small fraction of their business and of that small fraction...only a smaller fraction actually run into this problem because we track the car. Now which one is cheaper....to a) recall the cars/offer oil coolers at the dealer. or b) deal with the few folks who are going to get pissed and maybe blow up their cars from heat. The answer is pretty damn simple. Some people on the internet aren't very bright so I'll spell it out for you; It is cheaper for Nissan to ignore the problem than to take care of us with oil coolers.

Chances are NOBODYS car is going to blow up from heat on the street. If it happens, it will happen on the track, where it won't be covered by Nissan warranty anyway.

So folks... the only reason Nissan would ever do anything is because they have an ounce of moral fiber or because they care in the slightest bit for their customers. The one decent thing they could do is not be stupid against people with oil coolers, because if they do, then the natives will be restless and this will become very very public information for future Nissan 370Z buyers.

Sadly, the odds don't look good for us.

"Nissan, as the multinational multi-billion dollar company that they are, should be well aware of this fact by now."

Not only are they aware of it, but as a veteran of the 2006 oil consumption cars, I will say from experience that they are more than likely monitoring this site. I can also say from experience, that short of threatening legal action, you will probably see no offer to correct this for existing owners coming from Nissan. Their attitude with the oil consumption was no recall, and only after repeated threats and actions from Z owners did they issue a TSB on the subject. It took an attorney, threat of legal action, or going through the BBB/Lemon Law for buyback to get them to act. Sad thing is, this is a solveable issue ........ everyone here that has put an aftermarket oil cooler on their car states the temps become reasonable.

John

FlashBazbo · 04-27-2009, 06:55 AM

It will take more than hiring a lawyer and threatening legal action. More than alerting the NHTSA or the EPA. Anyone remember the tire-eating early 350Zs? Even the mainstream car magazines talked about it, but they never fixed it for those first- and second-year owners. And it tanked the resale value of those cars.

I was a 240SX customer nineteen years ago. 240SXs wouldn't pass emissions tests in non-attainment areas (read: major cities). Nissan acknowledged a product defect, but wouldn't fix it and wouldn't make it right. They said they couldn't! (They did offer to cheat the inspection system, though.) I had a lawyer and contacted the EPA and spent three years trying to get Nissan to make things right. They never did. I moved to an attainment area where no emissions inspections were needed.

All that to say . . . don't expect a fix. If it's a problem, buy and install an oil cooler. That's cheaper than a lawyer. Or -- buy a different car. Or -- move to a colder climate.

RCZ · 04-27-2009, 11:43 AM

All I ask from Nissan is for them not to void the warranty of the people who installed coolers and made the car SAFER. I hope they are reading this forum and I hope they understand how idiotic it is to make a sports car that overheats when you use it.

What they SHOULD do if anything at all, is make a kit available from the dealership at an additional cost...that would add some much needed revenue from enthusiasts and would keep us enthusiasts happy. It could be a GREAT exercise in PR if they make this upgrade discounted/free for 2009 Model owners. That would show they are doing something for their customers in these tough economic times....while at the same time lowering their future service costs when motors start to pop, and not to mention FIX this stupid stupid technical shortcoming. They claim decades of motorsports pedigree, yet they can't design a car without problems even after MANY generations of Z's. I mean come on guys, how many more Z's before you stop messing up stupid details? Its pathetic.

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SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 33	it you do a web search this issue is cropping up elsewhere as potential buyers are considering the 370Z. It's becoming a *hot* topic! __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

04-26-2009, 10:17 PM	#296 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Here's my view on it. Just like in medicine, the most important step in healthcare (and the cheapest solution) is preventive care. You take care of the problems before they become problems and the final bill you have to pay is a fraction of the one you have to pay when you ignore these problems. Would be nice if this applied right? Oh well... Nissan, as the multinational multi-billion dollar company that they are, should be well aware of this fact by now. They have smart people working in their company and trust me when I tell you guys that they already had their analysts go through the data of what it will cost them. In my personal view, Nissan isn't going to do anything for us and we are SOL. Think about it...the Z is only a small fraction of their business and of that small fraction...only a smaller fraction actually run into this problem because we track the car. Now which one is cheaper....to a) recall the cars/offer oil coolers at the dealer. or b) deal with the few folks who are going to get pissed and maybe blow up their cars from heat. The answer is pretty damn simple. Some people on the internet aren't very bright so I'll spell it out for you; It is cheaper for Nissan to ignore the problem than to take care of us with oil coolers. Chances are NOBODYS car is going to blow up from heat on the street. If it happens, it will happen on the track, where it won't be covered by Nissan warranty anyway. So folks... the only reason Nissan would ever do anything is because they have an ounce of moral fiber or because they care in the slightest bit for their customers. The one decent thing they could do is not be stupid against people with oil coolers, because if they do, then the natives will be restless and this will become very very public information for future Nissan 370Z buyers. Sadly, the odds don't look good for us. Last edited by RCZ; 04-26-2009 at 10:43 PM.

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04-26-2009, 06:43 AM	#286 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Three powerful little words: CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT My brother-in-law is an attorney. I'm going to speak with him about the issue and see if someone at their firm can take it on.

04-26-2009, 11:21 AM	#288 (permalink)
antennahead A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 15,181 Drives: '07 Z4 "M" Roadster Rep Power: 57	I had a 2006 oil burner. I hope this isn't "deja vu all over again", as Yogi would say John

04-26-2009, 11:28 AM	#289 (permalink)
7sudden Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 9 Drives: 6MT/Sport/Tour/Nav Rep Power: 15	I picked up my 370z Friday night in Phoenix. (82 degrees) -I then drove approx 200mi home, averaging 70-80mph and varying RPMs etc. I never saw temp get past 220degrees Car now has 291mi on it. After reading this thread, I took the car out and warmed it up. (60 degrees) Then I drove it hard for about 20min, including a few short bursts into 5000-6000rpm range. It still seems to cap out at 220degrees. Am I just not driving it to the point of soliciting higher temps? My particular car appears to be a newer car (VIN number 5xxx). Could Nissan have fixed/changed something? Calibrated the sensor, etc? Am I just lucky? Living in Arizona, this is going to be a concern to me. I would like to replicate the problem if my car has it. If it doesn't, I will start focusing on other upgrades/improvements. If it does... I will demand the dealer fix it, or return my car.

04-26-2009, 01:05 PM	#290 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	We had an 80 degree day yesterday at the auto-x, was hitting 260 on the oil temp after every single run. Between runs it would cool down to between 230-240.

04-26-2009, 08:13 PM	#292 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	"Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 90 (20 members and 70 guests)" Seems a lot of people are interested in this issue.

04-27-2009, 06:55 AM	#299 (permalink)
FlashBazbo Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 97 Drives: '09 370Z T-SP-7AT Rep Power: 0	It will take more than hiring a lawyer and threatening legal action. More than alerting the NHTSA or the EPA. Anyone remember the tire-eating early 350Zs? Even the mainstream car magazines talked about it, but they never fixed it for those first- and second-year owners. And it tanked the resale value of those cars. I was a 240SX customer nineteen years ago. 240SXs wouldn't pass emissions tests in non-attainment areas (read: major cities). Nissan acknowledged a product defect, but wouldn't fix it and wouldn't make it right. They said they couldn't! (They did offer to cheat the inspection system, though.) I had a lawyer and contacted the EPA and spent three years trying to get Nissan to make things right. They never did. I moved to an attainment area where no emissions inspections were needed. All that to say . . . don't expect a fix. If it's a problem, buy and install an oil cooler. That's cheaper than a lawyer. Or -- buy a different car. Or -- move to a colder climate.

04-27-2009, 11:43 AM	#300 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	All I ask from Nissan is for them not to void the warranty of the people who installed coolers and made the car SAFER. I hope they are reading this forum and I hope they understand how idiotic it is to make a sports car that overheats when you use it. What they SHOULD do if anything at all, is make a kit available from the dealership at an additional cost...that would add some much needed revenue from enthusiasts and would keep us enthusiasts happy. It could be a GREAT exercise in PR if they make this upgrade discounted/free for 2009 Model owners. That would show they are doing something for their customers in these tough economic times....while at the same time lowering their future service costs when motors start to pop, and not to mention FIX this stupid stupid technical shortcoming. They claim decades of motorsports pedigree, yet they can't design a car without problems even after MANY generations of Z's. I mean come on guys, how many more Z's before you stop messing up stupid details? Its pathetic.