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jwick 12-09-2015 08:49 AM

Stock clutch should last forever if you are an experienced MT driver. I've never burnt out a clutch in my life.

BC416 12-09-2015 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363634)
Throw me on the list. 09 Touring with 41k on the clock. My question is how long will the stock clutch last? I doubt I'll have this car past 70-80k. Will the stock clutch last that long?

I see no reason why you couldn't get over 100k on the factory clutch. Driving style makes a difference though.

jwick 12-09-2015 08:51 AM

Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures
 
When mine came out for the turbo build at 43k the mechanical asked me how recently I replaced it because he thought it was brand new.

TurboNeon185 12-09-2015 09:00 AM

Man, I was not expecting such quick responses so thank you for that. My srt4 clutch lasted me 100k and I used to beat on that a lot more than I have the 370 so I figured I was OK leaving the stocker but I just needed confirmation. So thanks guys.

BC416 12-09-2015 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363653)
Man, I was not expecting such quick responses so thank you for that. My srt4 clutch lasted me 100k and I used to beat on that a lot more than I have the 370 so I figured I was OK leaving the stocker but I just needed confirmation. So thanks guys.

Former SRT-4 owner myself. When I traded mine in on the Z, it had 103k on it and the factory clutch was just starting to go. Loved that car. :tup:

TurboNeon185 12-09-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3363679)
Former SRT-4 owner myself. When I traded mine in on the Z, it had 103k on it and the factory clutch was just starting to go. Loved that car. :tup:

I still have mine. I changed the clutch because the throw out bearing fork was wearing out and I had the clutch pedal adjusted so far out it was preloading the clutch and making it slip. That was actually around 120k. It's got 162k on it now. It's not running perfect but it is still trucking along.

BC416 12-09-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363692)
I still have mine. I changed the clutch because the throw out bearing fork was wearing out and I had the clutch pedal adjusted so far out it was preloading the clutch and making it slip. That was actually around 120k. It's got 162k on it now. It's not running perfect but it is still trucking along.

I wanted to keep mine too but it wasn't practical to have both. Car was full bolt-ons and just asking for a AGP .50 trim.

TurboNeon185 12-09-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3363696)
I wanted to keep mine too but it wasn't practical to have both. Car was full bolt-ons and just asking for a AGP .50 trim.

I'll tell you, you're pulling my heart strings. I was going to go 50 trim but my money wasn't cooperating. My SRT needs some pretty decent work to be appealing to anyone that doesn't already love srt4s. The motor smells like it's running rich even though my a/f gauge says its fine which makes me think the exhaust manifold may be leaking. The shocks are gone and it squeaks quite a bit. And also there is quite a bit of clear coat peel on the roof. Can somebody tell me why I still love this car?

BC416 12-09-2015 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363723)
I'll tell you, you're pulling my heart strings. I was going to go 50 trim but my money wasn't cooperating. My SRT needs some pretty decent work to be appealing to anyone that doesn't already love srt4s. The motor smells like it's running rich even though my a/f gauge says its fine which makes me think the exhaust manifold may be leaking. The shocks are gone and it squeaks quite a bit. And also there is quite a bit of clear coat peel on the roof. Can somebody tell me why I still love this car?

I hear you. Towards the end of owning mine, the blower motor was shot so I had no A/C or heat. It squeaked like hell and I think some of the suspension needed replacing. However I owned the car for 7 years and 85,000 miles and it did what I needed it to. Also, it made all kind of crazy sounds when you put your right foot down!

JohnsonB37 12-09-2015 10:02 AM

Having the exact same symptoms of a failed csc. Took off shifter to second font on the gas and the petal sticks to the floor. Horrible burnt clutch smell. So I take it to the dealership I got it from and tell them what happened. Tell them I found this post on the forum. They say they found no leaks and I needed a fluid exchange that would be $205.xx. Told they they were crazy and my shop does it for 50. So I sent an email to the tech with a link of this page. And now they are wanting to charge me 105 for a diagnosis. WTF!!!

TurboNeon185 12-09-2015 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3363732)
I hear you. Towards the end of owning mine, the blower motor was shot so I had no A/C or heat. It squeaked like hell and I think some of the suspension needed replacing. However I owned the car for 7 years and 85,000 miles and it did what I needed it to. Also, it made all kind of crazy sounds when you put your right foot down!

Hell yea.I still think I like my srt4 more than my 370 just due to how dramatic the experience is. The 370 is refined while the srt4 is raw. Not only that but the srt4 can pull from 2000rpm pretty god darn hard and the 370 has to be "on the pipe" as they say.

BC416 12-09-2015 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnsonB37 (Post 3363744)
Having the exact same symptoms of a failed csc. Took off shifter to second font on the gas and the petal sticks to the floor. Horrible burnt clutch smell. So I take it to the dealership I got it from and tell them what happened. Tell them I found this post on the forum. They say they found no leaks and I needed a fluid exchange that would be $205.xx. Told they they were crazy and my shop does it for 50. So I sent an email to the tech with a link of this page. And now they are wanting to charge me 105 for a diagnosis. WTF!!!

Fluid change to "GTR" fluid is the first thing the dealer will do. It's a band aid fix to the problem and will only buy you some time. Look into the aftermarket CSC options on here. It will cost you a bit but it's worth it in the long run.

BC416 12-09-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363746)
Hell yea.I still think I like my srt4 more than my 370 just due to how dramatic the experience is. The 370 is refined while the srt4 is raw. Not only that but the srt4 can pull from 2000rpm pretty god darn hard and the 370 has to be "on the pipe" as they say.

I know exactly what you mean. I'd never say I like the Neon more as the Z is just an all around better car IMO but it definitely has it's own personality that is hard to match.

TurboNeon185 12-09-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3363758)
I know exactly what you mean. I'd never say I like the Neon more as the Z is just an all around better car IMO but it definitely has it's own personality that is hard to match.

Well I hear that but my argument is I have a Nissan with 41000 on the odometer and I have a dodge with 162000 on the odometer. Which should be drivable and which should be waiting to be fixed?

BC416 12-09-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363767)
Well I hear that but my argument is I have a Nissan with 41000 on the odometer and I have a dodge with 162000 on the odometer. Which should be drivable and which should be waiting to be fixed?

Agree. I had a caliper seize up on my dodge at about 42k. **** happens. Knock on wood but I've had no issues so far with the Z. It only has 20k on it but so far so good.

TurboNeon185 12-09-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3363770)
Agree. I had a caliper seize up on my dodge at about 42k. **** happens. Knock on wood but I've had no issues so far with the Z. It only has 20k on it but so far so good.

Got ya. Salute to a former srt4 owner. :hello::iagree:

BC416 12-09-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboNeon185 (Post 3363773)
Got ya. Salute to a former srt4 owner. :hello::iagree:

:tiphat:

JohnsonB37 12-09-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3363753)
Fluid change to "GTR" fluid is the first thing the dealer will do. It's a band aid fix to the problem and will only buy you some time. Look into the aftermarket CSC options on here. It will cost you a bit but it's worth it in the long run.



Obviously trying to **** me. There's nothing I can do either?

BC416 12-09-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnsonB37 (Post 3363797)
Obviously trying to **** me. There's nothing I can do either?

If you car is out of the bumper to bumper warranty, odds are you are **** out of luck.

These are your two options if you don't want this happening down the road again with the OEM CSC.

https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...boqvjcu0tva3m5

ZSpeed Performance Replacment HD Clutch CSC Heavy Duty Slave Cylinder Kit

clutchfan 12-21-2015 07:10 PM

My 2015 Q60 coupe with only 2800 miles is at the dealership getting a new slave cylinder and a CSC tube.

I brought it in thinking it was leaking oil from the oil pan.

But now I have another issue. My dipstrick reads only 1cm above the L 1hr after turning the car off. The next morning when I checked, it read at half.

So if it's not leaking oil, it's burning hella oil.....

eastwest2300 12-22-2015 06:40 AM

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MagmaRed370z 12-22-2015 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by clutchfan (Post 3373430)
My 2015 Q60 coupe with only 2800 miles is at the dealership getting a new slave cylinder and a CSC tube.

I brought it in thinking it was leaking oil from the oil pan.

But now I have another issue. My dipstrick reads only 1cm above the L 1hr after turning the car off. The next morning when I checked, it read at half.

So if it's not leaking oil, it's burning hella oil.....

Yikes! 2015 Q60s have this issue too?! :eek::shakes head:

clutchfan 12-22-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3373641)
Yikes! 2015 Q60s have this issue too?! :eek::shakes head:

Same engine no?

And apparently, the tech installed a new clutch. But my work order mentions nothing about a new clutch. My dash cam just recorded him saying he installed a new one at only 2800 miles and it rides nice. And something about him wanting to do a burn out but he can't. lol

eastwest2300 12-22-2015 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by clutchfan (Post 3374051)
Same engine no?

And apparently, the tech installed a new clutch. But my work order mentions nothing about a new clutch. My dash cam just recorded him saying he installed a new one at only 2800 miles and it rides nice. And something about him wanting to do a burn out but he can't. lol

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Imperial 01-29-2016 04:38 AM

Just had my CSC fail on me at under 42,000 miles. Super glad I bought the extended warranty as every failure prone part on this car seems to be going out on me one by one right when the standard warranty would have expired. Still going to have the ZSpeed HD CSC installed for insurance down the road and use the opportunity to get the clutch upgraded at that same time.

mults 02-12-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Imperial (Post 3400268)
Just had my CSC fail on me at under 42,000 miles. Super glad I bought the extended warranty as every failure prone part on this car seems to be going out on me one by one right when the standard warranty would have expired. Still going to have the ZSpeed HD CSC installed for insurance down the road and use the opportunity to get the clutch upgraded at that same time.

@Imperial: If you didn't have the extended warranty, what would the costs have been to replace? My extended warranty expires in June of this year and I am considering extending it for another 4-5 years. I want to weigh the price of the warranty against the cost of the CSC if it fails. I only have 25K on my 2010 40th and I may want to do a preemptive strike before it POSSIBLY fails.

Of course the extended warranty will cover other items, but the CSC seems to be high on the list of failures...

FairladyZ40th 02-12-2016 09:29 AM

The slave is cheap, the labor is expensivish... The car you can get anywhere from $80-$120. I wouldn't pay more than that and the labor can be about $400+


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FairladyZ40th 02-12-2016 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mults (Post 3411735)
@Imperial: If you didn't have the extended warranty, what would the costs have been to replace? My extended warranty expires in June of this year and I am considering extending it for another 4-5 years. I want to weigh the price of the warranty against the cost of the CSC if it fails. I only have 25K on my 2010 40th and I may want to do a preemptive strike before it POSSIBLY fails.



Of course the extended warranty will cover other items, but the CSC seems to be high on the list of failures...


Please view previous message, I'd also just recommend that you buy the csc elimination kit from Z1.


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mults 02-12-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ40th (Post 3411759)
Please view previous message, I'd also just recommend that you buy the csc elimination kit from Z1.


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Yeah, if it ever needed to be replaced, it would not be the factory one...

Thanks for the quick response...:tup:

TurboNeon185 02-24-2016 10:17 PM

Maybe it's just me but I don't think I'll buy another Nissan again. I called my nearest Nissan dealer to ask if there was a recall on the CSC and he seemed pretty defensive as if he had built the car himself. Not only that but he said it was a $120 charge just to diagnose a problem which I told him I know I have. It's not like I have a 15 year old Nissan sentra. I have a car that I paid 30 grand for when it was already 3 years old. If Nissan thinks that little of their customers and doesn't back up their product then they don't have to worry about counting any more of my money. I have a 2005 srt4 that I never had to put any serious money into until after 115000 miles. And that was only to change the clutch and timing belt. When a 10 year old dodge with 170k on the clock is more reliable than a Nissan with 41000 on it there is a problem.

xdragus 03-01-2016 12:35 PM

Hey DIGItonium,

how many miles are you at with the Zspeed HD CSC?

DIGItonium 03-01-2016 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xdragus (Post 3426479)
Hey DIGItonium,

how many miles are you at with the Zspeed HD CSC?

Over 40k I think. Current mileage is around 67k. I don't drive it that much.

BboyZ 03-01-2016 10:12 PM

MY 2016 nismo had CSC failure last month with 2700 on it. Took to the dealer, and service said, they need to look at it to see if it cover. I raised my voice to the service manager saying " I bought the car 6 months ago and it only has 2700 miles, and you are telling you are not sure if it cover?".

After, car was covered, "THEY should". Now I said I need a loan car as I cannot drive the car and need to go to work. At first the same service manager, told me that the loan car is not cover and will need to pay for it. I said if the car has issue and its a MFG defect and not drivable, you guy need to provide me a car loan. Eventually the head of the service come out and provide me the car loan.

HulaGirl 03-02-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BboyZ (Post 3426935)
MY 2016 nismo had CSC failure last month with 2700 on it. Took to the dealer, and service said, they need to look at it to see if it cover. I raised my voice to the service manager saying " I bought the car 6 months ago and it only has 2700 miles, and you are telling you are not sure if it cover?".

After, car was covered, "THEY should". Now I said I need a loan car as I cannot drive the car and need to go to work. At first the same service manager, told me that the loan car is not cover and will need to pay for it. I said if the car has issue and its a MFG defect and not drivable, you guy need to provide me a car loan. Eventually the head of the service come out and provide me the car loan.


Grrrrrh! Can't believe those initial responses . Customer service is on a respirator these days.

x10370zx 03-06-2016 12:52 AM

I think I might be the latest victim in this dreaded saga. 2010 with about 43K on the clock. Driving home from work about three weeks ago, not beating on the car whatsoever... Was getting off the highway and when pushing in the clutch to go from 6th to 5th it hit the floor and didn't come up. Terrible brake fluid smell almost instantly. Since then the clutch gets stuck to the floor almost daily and I pull it back up with my foot. Fluid has been pinned on the min line though, hasn't budged at all. I talked to a tech today who told me to top off the fluid with dot 3 and keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't drop. He also said to open the reservoir after the car has been driven and pump the clutch a few times while having someone watch to see if the fluid bubbles. Anyone have their tech suggest this? Pretty worried that one day I'm not going to be able to pick the clutch up and I'll be stranded. I should also mention that the clutch takes up very close to the floor now.. Feels like 1.5-2" which I know isn't normal at all.

MagmaRed370z 03-06-2016 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BboyZ (Post 3426935)
MY 2016 nismo had CSC failure last month with 2700 on it. Took to the dealer, and service said, they need to look at it to see if it cover. I raised my voice to the service manager saying " I bought the car 6 months ago and it only has 2700 miles, and you are telling you are not sure if it cover?".

After, car was covered, "THEY should". Now I said I need a loan car as I cannot drive the car and need to go to work. At first the same service manager, told me that the loan car is not cover and will need to pay for it. I said if the car has issue and its a MFG defect and not drivable, you guy need to provide me a car loan. Eventually the head of the service come out and provide me the car loan.

My dear God. I would be furious. They need to learn from Lexus.

vermithrax 03-09-2016 11:40 AM

Ok, so this morning my clutch was super mushy down to about half way. I check my clutch fluid and it is empty. I'm hearing CSC failure is possible. My car is at 44k miles and I have an extended warranty. If it is the CSC, will it be covered under warranty? If not, how much is this going to cost me? Thanks guys!

Jsolo 03-09-2016 11:52 AM

^^Check the terms of your extended warranty. I know the infiniti elite care covers this, so if you have the nissan equivalent it should be also covered. For other third party warranties, check the terms.

Uxi 03-21-2016 11:33 AM

Clutch is getting stuck on my 16... Noticed no fluid. Hope I can get to the dealer. About 4000 miles... Or twice as long as my 15. :/

firulice 03-21-2016 10:50 PM

^ unbelievable that the newer ones have so many issues and Nissan doesn't upgrade the part still or acknowledge the problem


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