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MagmaRed370z 07-19-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3261131)
I will file a complaint with the NHTSA that was provided on the first page of this thread.

:iagree::iagree:

firulice 07-19-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3261131)
Thank you. It is a shame Nissan and their dealers are aware of this issue but act like it does not exist. There is no way they have not heard of this issue. How is it I can come to this group and get information on it, yet they suggest these band-aid solutions. I will file a complaint with the NHTSA that was provided on the first page of this thread.

Post your experience on their facebook page too that is linked in this thread we need more voices to convince them this needs to be addressed.

SerialCoderer 07-19-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3261160)
Post your experience on their facebook page too that is linked in this thread we need more voices to convince them this needs to be addressed.

Done. I will update this thread with my complaint when it becomes available. I will advise everyone who has not done so to do this as well!

JARblue 07-19-2015 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3261045)
How long have you had the aftermarket one installed?

A little over a year - not quite 20K miles.

eastwest2300 07-19-2015 03:48 PM

I haven't had this problem yet, but this Friday Im getting mine replaced with a CSC from Zspeed. I don't wanna take any chances.

MagmaRed370z 07-19-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3261243)
I haven't had this problem yet, but this Friday Im getting mine replaced with a CSC from Zspeed. I don't wanna take any chances.

Its like every time I switch gears I say: Its my pedal still there? Its not enjoyable. I am too replacing mine at the end of August with Zspeed.:driving:

cjwsrt6 07-19-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwiki (Post 3257972)
My clutch just went out for the fourth time. The first three times they replaced the slave, the master, and the clutchline in that order. Now they said its the clutch itself and are replacing the cluthplate, pressure plate, and the flywheel.

How did you get them to replace these parts each time? Did you pay?

johnwiki 07-20-2015 01:09 AM

Unfortunately I had to. the Z is my daily driver, so I couldnt afford to fight with nissan north america or whoever to try and get it covered under warranty. So yes I paid every time but the third time. The first time I bought a slave cylinder, the second time a master. Third time they replaced the clutch line for free, and this last time clutchplate pressure plate and flywheel. But at the very least I now have the nissan parts warranty, so if any of it fails again they replace it for free.

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3261244)
Its like every time I switch gears I say: Its my pedal still there? Its not enjoyable. I am too replacing mine at the end of August with Zspeed.:driving:

I drove my Z last night roughly a 100 miles, and trust me, it was definitely on my mind every time I pushed the clutch in... and im only at 7900 miles!!

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by johnwiki (Post 3261422)
Unfortunately I had to. the Z is my daily driver, so I couldnt afford to fight with nissan north america or whoever to try and get it covered under warranty. So yes I paid every time but the third time. The first time I bought a slave cylinder, the second time a master. Third time they replaced the clutch line for free, and this last time clutchplate pressure plate and flywheel. But at the very least I now have the nissan parts warranty, so if any of it fails again they replace it for free.

Dude, you had to have paid a ton to have all those repairs done...:shakes head:

cjwsrt6 07-20-2015 01:16 PM

so i need some opinions, I was going to take my 370z to the dealer last week but couldnt. I priced the aftermarket csc and have accepted ill have to pay.
my questions are, i work at a nissan dealer and they know i autocross, knowing they wont replace the csc at either dealer should i take it in and have it put on file just in case? if so would my dealer knowing i autocross be a bad idea? i dont want the little warranty i have to be viod due to that either way.. so what does everyone think i should do?

johnwiki 07-20-2015 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3261524)
Dude, you had to have paid a ton to have all those repairs done...:shakes head:

$1300 for the slave, $700 for the master, clutch line was free, $3200 for this last visit.

kbc749 07-20-2015 03:55 PM

Hello,

I would like to add my name to the list of people who have had this issue.

I was driving back from Estes Park, Colorado to Lincoln, Nebraska and Near Ogalala, my clutch failed in exactly this manner. Clutch pedal went down, did not come back up. Fortunately I was given a push start and was able to limp to a walmart where I got some DOT3 brake fluid and filled the empty clutch fluid reservoir, and was able to pump the clutch back up to have pressure.

I got the clutch pumped back up and took off, thinking all I had was a small leak, having survived the long drive to Colorado and a little spirited driving in the mountain roads. But then 5 minutes later, when i went to try and change gears, I had lost all pressure again. When I went to check the fluid, I found it was still full. Meaning I was losing pressure inside the system, and leaking as well.

I was able to limp home by pumping up the pressure every time I needed to shift out of 6th until I made it to my house, roughly 300 miles later. Thank the car gods for a large gas tank.

Took it in today, and of course it's not covered under my powertrain warranty. (I just broke 41k). So I will be trying to get it covered but I'm not expecting success.


Thanks

KBC

Zbrah 07-20-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwiki (Post 3262101)
$1300 for the slave, $700 for the master, clutch line was free, $3200 for this last visit.

Doesn't this fall under the lemon law after three attempts to fix it? :confused:

SerialCoderer 07-20-2015 05:50 PM

So the dealer came back today and told me my flywheel and some other things pertaining to the clutch (I can't remember) is bad and it needs be replaced. I mentioned the CSC issue and he said he was aware of this issue that other Zs are having, but it is not the case with my car. The dealer said the cost was around $3k to fix.

I really do not want to spend that kind of money and it does not fix the problem.
How much have other people paid to have the aftermarket CSC replaced dealer/non-dealer work.

I am thinking if I get the flywheel and whatever other work the dealer recommends. I can also get the aftermarket CSC fixed as well. Otherwise I am going to sell this car. My 350z was more reliable than this car. SMH


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Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3261005)
I have been a victim of my clutch pedal losing all pressure and going down to the floor. This has happened to me twice now. The first time one dealer replaced my clutch fluid and with "Gtr fluid" and did some "clutch adjustments". That was supposed to fix the problem.
Three weeks later my clutch pedal is back on the floor. I have it at another dealer since my car broke down out of state. They fixed the problem the same way as the first dealer by bleeding the clutch fluid. I told them that was how my car was fixed the first time and I am scared it will happen again. They said they will look further at it and see if the they can find why this is happening. Can somebody give me some information on what they should look at specifically? If they can't find the issue, I think I will sell my Z.
I really do not want to but I need to be able to drive my car with confidence.


Chuck33079 07-20-2015 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3262335)
So the dealer came back today and told me my flywheel and some other things pertaining to the clutch (I can't remember) is bad and it needs be replaced. I mentioned the CSC issue and he said he was aware of this issue that other Zs are having, but it is not the case with my car. The dealer said the cost was around $3k to fix.

I really do not want to spend that kind of money and it does not fix the problem.
How much have other people paid to have the aftermarket CSC replaced dealer/non-dealer work.

I am thinking if I get the flywheel and whatever other work the dealer recommends. I can also get the aftermarket CSC fixed as well. Otherwise I am going to sell this car. My 350z was more reliable than this car. SMH

Stop going to the dealer? Go to a good local shop and have better aftermarket parts installed if you're footing the bill anyway? A good clutch/flywheel/csc should be around $1500 and I can't imagine it being more than 5-6 hours of labor to swap it out.

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwiki (Post 3262101)
$1300 for the slave, $700 for the master, clutch line was free, $3200 for this last visit.

dude, that is an absolute ripoff, the dealership should be ashamed... buncha azzholes.

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kbc749 (Post 3262173)
Hello,

I would like to add my name to the list of people who have had this issue.

I was driving back from Estes Park, Colorado to Lincoln, Nebraska and Near Ogalala, my clutch failed in exactly this manner. Clutch pedal went down, did not come back up. Fortunately I was given a push start and was able to limp to a walmart where I got some DOT3 brake fluid and filled the empty clutch fluid reservoir, and was able to pump the clutch back up to have pressure.

I got the clutch pumped back up and took off, thinking all I had was a small leak, having survived the long drive to Colorado and a little spirited driving in the mountain roads. But then 5 minutes later, when i went to try and change gears, I had lost all pressure again. When I went to check the fluid, I found it was still full. Meaning I was losing pressure inside the system, and leaking as well.

I was able to limp home by pumping up the pressure every time I needed to shift out of 6th until I made it to my house, roughly 300 miles later. Thank the car gods for a large gas tank.

Took it in today, and of course it's not covered under my powertrain warranty. (I just broke 41k). So I will be trying to get it covered but I'm not expecting success.


Thanks

KBC

Damn dude, I'm sorry bro.

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3262338)
Stop going to the dealer? Go to a good local shop and have better aftermarket parts installed if you're footing the bill anyway? A good clutch/flywheel/csc should be around $1500 and I can't imagine it being more than 5-6 hours of labor to swap it out.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

You can't say it any better than this.

Listen to this guy here.

johnwiki 07-20-2015 06:28 PM

[QUOTE=SerialCoderer;3262335]So the dealer came back today and told me my flywheel and some other things pertaining to the clutch (I can't remember) is bad and it needs be replaced. I mentioned the CSC issue and he said he was aware of this issue that other Zs are having, but it is not the case with my car. The dealer said the cost was around $3k to fix.

thats literally what I just replaced. 5 days and its still going strong.....for now.

SerialCoderer 07-20-2015 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3262338)
Stop going to the dealer? Go to a good local shop and have better aftermarket parts installed if you're footing the bill anyway? A good clutch/flywheel/csc should be around $1500 and I can't imagine it being more than 5-6 hours of labor to swap it out.

You are right! It is time I stop going to the dealer. I just need to find a reputable place now out in Jersey.

firulice 07-20-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3262335)
So the dealer came back today and told me my flywheel and some other things pertaining to the clutch (I can't remember) is bad and it needs be replaced. I mentioned the CSC issue and he said he was aware of this issue that other Zs are having, but it is not the case with my car. The dealer said the cost was around $3k to fix.

I really do not want to spend that kind of money and it does not fix the problem.
How much have other people paid to have the aftermarket CSC replaced dealer/non-dealer work.

I am thinking if I get the flywheel and whatever other work the dealer recommends. I can also get the aftermarket CSC fixed as well. Otherwise I am going to sell this car. My 350z was more reliable than this car. SMH

Tell the dealer to sit on their thumb and bounce.... go here. ..ZSpeed Performance Nissan Infinti Performance Parts and OEM
buy a set for 1300 and install at a shop for 5-600. You'll get a reliable setup and be good to go

MagmaRed370z 07-20-2015 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3262481)
Tell the dealer to sit on their thumb and bounce.... go here. ..ZSpeed Performance Nissan Infinti Performance Parts and OEM
buy a set for 1300 and install at a shop for 5-600. You'll get a reliable setup and be good to go

:driving::iagree:

Zbrah 07-20-2015 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cjwsrt6 (Post 3261952)
so i need some opinions, I was going to take my 370z to the dealer last week but couldnt. I priced the aftermarket csc and have accepted ill have to pay.
my questions are, i work at a nissan dealer and they know i autocross, knowing they wont replace the csc at either dealer should i take it in and have it put on file just in case? if so would my dealer knowing i autocross be a bad idea? i dont want the little warranty i have to be viod due to that either way.. so what does everyone think i should do?

If you're worry about warranty issue, I think it's a good idea to not let your dealer know you're involved in any type of aggressive driving, whether autox or on the back roads.

KoolKarmaJoe 07-20-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3262481)
Tell the dealer to sit on their thumb and bounce.... go here. ..ZSpeed Performance Nissan Infinti Performance Parts and OEM
buy a set for 1300 and install at a shop for 5-600. You'll get a reliable setup and be good to go

Agree! ZSpeed is the way to go. I'm very pleased with my new setup.

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eastwest2300 07-20-2015 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3262475)
You are right! It is time I stop going to the dealer. I just need to find a reputable place now out in Jersey.

If there was any chance you could make it out here in Maryland.. There's AAM, they do excellent work, you'd be in and out in about a day.

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 09:26 PM

I thermal wrapped the lines on my new zspeed CSC today, it looks pretty dope.. install day is this friday at AAM!!! Im stoked!:happydance::happydance::happydance:

firulice 07-20-2015 09:39 PM

What's the link for the thermal wrap?

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 09:47 PM

sh1t, I'm gonna have to look it up.. standby.

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 09:49 PM

Thermo Tec 14010 Thermo Sleeve | eBay

This is what I got, it'll run ya roughly $20, you'll use up 70% of it, if you do both lines on the CSC..

If you buy it from this seller, he's out of NY, I don't know how the hell it took 6 days shipping from NY to DC..

:icon08:

eastwest2300 07-20-2015 09:53 PM

and with that being said, I'm out... off to bed.. 0530 is gonna smack me in the face. :yawn:

KoolKarmaJoe 07-20-2015 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3262543)
Thermo Tec 14010 Thermo Sleeve | eBay

This is what I got, it'll run ya roughly $20, you'll use up 70% of it, if you do both lines on the CSC..

If you buy it from this seller, he's out of NY, I don't know how the hell it took 6 days shipping from NY to DC..

:icon08:

DEI Titanium Exhaust Wrap works well to shield from Exhaust heat. I've used it on headers, Exhaust pipes, etc on many cars to help keep engine compartment & drive train areas protected from heat from headers/pipes. Good stuff, last long time, doesn't require pre-soak.

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firulice 07-20-2015 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3262543)
Thermo Tec 14010 Thermo Sleeve | eBay

This is what I got, it'll run ya roughly $20, you'll use up 70% of it, if you do both lines on the CSC..

If you buy it from this seller, he's out of NY, I don't know how the hell it took 6 days shipping from NY to DC..

:icon08:

Thank you!

firulice 07-20-2015 10:26 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Thermo-Tec-140...7X986QMY14FJR7

Same thing right?

firulice 07-20-2015 10:30 PM

Would this work well? http://www.amazon.com/Thermo-Tec-135...CZ8FCDH702QG64

I'm thinking it should help keep my fluid from getting as hot?

eastwest2300 07-21-2015 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3262561)
Thank you!

You're welcome bro.:tiphat:

eastwest2300 07-21-2015 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3262565)

Yup, thats the same thing, you'd be all set.. as far as your fluid, im not sure about that, but if you're upgrading the CSC, you'd be flushing your clutch fluid, I would think you'd be using a better fluid other than the oem stuff... ie. RBF600 or the Motul 5.1 which is designed to work very well with high temps.

Read T 07-25-2015 08:39 PM

Model 2011 Nissan 370z Sport
VIN Top Secret
Purchase date April 2012
Occurrence date July 2015
Mileage 58,000

About a year ago my clutch PEDAL broke, shearing off the helper spring mount. The pedal became very sloppy and difficult to shift but I replaced it with the RJM adjustable pedal and was very pleased with the results. Thanks to this website though I have since known to keep a close eye out for any CSC issues.

The car is my daily driver and I generally baby the car around town, although I have been to a few HPDEs with it. I currently run PFC 665 for the clutch line.Two weeks ago while changing my engine oil, I noticed that the Clutch reservoir fluid level was getting very low :mad:. Prior to this, I had not had any problems with the clutch line and had it flushed at least once before. No puddles or leaks were noticed under the car or on the bottom of the transmission. I ordered the ZSpeed CSC and parked my car for a week (make sure you have a spare car if you own a nissan or anything British).

I am lucky enough to have a good friend that owns a shop with a lift, and today the two of us swapped out the CSC. The entire procedure took roughly 3 hours, and was made much easier by slightly dropping the front subframe to help tilt the transmission down. The clutch disc was noted to be plenty thick still - which is great since I didn't order a new one. Car is now doing great although the engagement point is slightly lower and grabbier, two things I can adjust with the RJM pedal.

Before I did the work myself I went to a Z shop locally and was quoted roughly $950 labour + parts. I ended up doing it myself with a friend for the price of the CSC and a few good beers (Dogfish Head, Aviator, and DuClaw).

As much as I love this car, I will say that I have been pretty disappointed by the build quality and random issues I've had - breaking clutch pedal, CSC failure, axle click, engine oil overheating, and clear coat bubbling off all over.

SerialCoderer 07-25-2015 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerialCoderer (Post 3262475)
You are right! It is time I stop going to the dealer. I just need to find a reputable place now out in Jersey.

So my car came back from the dealer these are the things they claimed are needed

Part#
30205-JK40c - Cover Assy-Clutch 787.89
306A1-JK40d - Cyl Assy - Conc 183.50
12310-EY00A - Flywheel Assy 1084.32

everything with labor $3500 :gtfo2:


I do not trust they have actually figured out the problem after reading everyone else's story on here that has experienced the clutch pedal losing pressure and going to the floor. I still think my best option is to get rid of this car. I have had way to many issues (2 engines, etc, smh) with this car and I bought it fairly new 7k miles currently at 42k.

SerialCoderer 07-25-2015 09:02 PM

I totally agree. I am disappointed with the quality of this car. I loved my 350z. I had no major issues. The reliability of the 350 made me purchase the 370, but I have had to many major issues with this car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Read T (Post 3267189)
Model 2011 Nissan 370z Sport
VIN Top Secret
Purchase date April 2012
Occurrence date July 2015
Mileage 58,000

About a year ago my clutch PEDAL broke, shearing off the helper spring mount. The pedal became very sloppy and difficult to shift but I replaced it with the RJM adjustable pedal and was very pleased with the results. Thanks to this website though I have since known to keep a close eye out for any CSC issues.

The car is my daily driver and I generally baby the car around town, although I have been to a few HPDEs with it. I currently run PFC 665 for the clutch line.Two weeks ago while changing my engine oil, I noticed that the Clutch reservoir fluid level was getting very low :mad:. Prior to this, I had not had any problems with the clutch line and had it flushed at least once before. No puddles or leaks were noticed under the car or on the bottom of the transmission. I ordered the ZSpeed CSC and parked my car for a week (make sure you have a spare car if you own a nissan or anything British).

I am lucky enough to have a good friend that owns a shop with a lift, and today the two of us swapped out the CSC. The entire procedure took roughly 3 hours, and was made much easier by slightly dropping the front subframe to help tilt the transmission down. The clutch disc was noted to be plenty thick still - which is great since I didn't order a new one. Car is now doing great although the engagement point is slightly lower and grabbier, two things I can adjust with the RJM pedal.

Before I did the work myself I went to a Z shop locally and was quoted roughly $950 labour + parts. I ended up doing it myself with a friend for the price of the CSC and a few good beers (Dogfish Head, Aviator, and DuClaw).

As much as I love this car, I will say that I have been pretty disappointed by the build quality and random issues I've had - breaking clutch pedal, CSC failure, axle click, engine oil overheating, and clear coat bubbling off all over.



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