[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

the only aspect that the MT wins is the initial holding power of TQ over the AT. however any and everyone who goes over said power limit ends up changing to a bigger/stronger clutch regardless. soooo it's not really a strong argument unless you then go to compare prices. yes a MT can be upgraded for slightly less money. but that is due to the fact most places pretty much just build the AT to be good for 1000hp which costs a bit more.

and yes my analogy was meant to be the way it was lol obviously yours was literal and more accurate but that wasn't my end goal......I was just bashing

Slightly less money? That upgrade cost for a new clutch is less than the extra cost for an AT from the dealer. So not only do you have to pay extra for the AT initially, you have to pay to upgrade it to 1000hp before you can add an extra 50 ft-lb torque


oh $hit... my bad

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

the only aspect that the MT wins is the initial holding power of TQ over the AT. however any and everyone who goes over said power limit ends up changing to a bigger/stronger clutch regardless. soooo it's not really a strong argument unless you then go to compare prices. yes a MT can be upgraded for slightly less money. but that is due to the fact most places pretty much just build the AT to be good for 1000hp which costs a bit more.



and yes my analogy was meant to be the way it was lol obviously yours was literal and more accurate but that wasn't my end goal......I was just bashing

Not true. Nobody has figured out how much power it takes to break a MT. The same is not true for the AT

[JWillis72]

Originally Posted by ayrton88

Hey, I'm an old man and I would never own an automatic. I want to know how come you young AT guys don't want to use both feet. Uncoordinated?

Same reason we don't use horse and buggy any more, they are out of date. To me its no different than TVs, most of the TVs I have owned had tubes but there is no need these days so I don't own a TV that is not LED.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Slightly less money? That upgrade cost for a new clutch is less than the extra cost for an AT from the dealer. So not only do you have to pay extra for the AT initially, you have to pay to upgrade it to 1000hp before you can add an extra 50 ft-lb torque


oh $hit... my bad

TECHNICALLY.......Tony's new flex plate and AT upgrades could be the solution.

also many people have easily gone with a trans cooler, line pressure tune, and maybe a VB upgrade.

to hold 500TQ you'll spend about $1k with the MT.....oh and add $500 for CSC fix. the AT is about the same money to hold 500

anything over that why not build it to be bulletproof like a $4k tranny from level10 or however much tony's new upgrades are.

[jwick]

Originally Posted by JWillis72

Same reason we don't use horse and buggy any more, they are out of date. To me its no different than TVs, most of the TVs I have owned had tubes but there is no need these days so I don't own a TV that is not LED.

Plasma is still better

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by jwick

Plasma is still better

Plasma sucks compared to OLED.

[rooftop]

OLED

[rooftop]

Less power consumption and super thin panels ZOMG

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Plasma sucks compared to OLED.

isn't plasma better for gaming? or was that just the myth or whatever?

[JWillis72]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

TECHNICALLY.......Tony's new flex plate and AT upgrades could be the solution.

also many people have easily gone with a trans cooler, line pressure tune, and maybe a VB upgrade.

to hold 500TQ you'll spend about $1k with the MT.....oh and add $500 for CSC fix. the AT is about the same money to hold 500

anything over that why not build it to be bulletproof like a $4k tranny from level10 or however much tony's new upgrades are.

I have a cooler on mine plus adjusted the pressures and have been planning on a Level 10 trans thinking it would give sooner or later but it just keeps running rock solid.

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

TECHNICALLY.......Tony's new flex plate and AT upgrades could be the solution.



also many people have easily gone with a trans cooler, line pressure tune, and maybe a VB upgrade.



to hold 500TQ you'll spend about $1k with the MT.....oh and add $500 for CSC fix. the AT is about the same money to hold 500



anything over that why not build it to be bulletproof like a $4k tranny from level10 or however much tony's new upgrades are.

Your numbers are off on the MT upgrade. Assuming you can do the work yourself, which is a fair comparison based on your AT upgrades, the MT number is closer to a grand all in. New disk, pressure plate and CSC should run you about that. I got all that and the flywheel for like $1050 and I'm holding 465wtq. I don't think my disk could handle more than 500wtq but the money spent on flywheel could be used for disk upgrade instead.

Edit - and nobody has numbers yet on what Tony's upgrade will cost once it is available, nor the power it can hold. Unless I missed a release while I was offshore and away from the forum for a week.

[rooftop]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

isn't plasma better for gaming? or was that just the myth or whatever?

definitely better vs early generation LCDs. newer LCDs/OLED are just as good or better

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by jwick

Your numbers are off on the MT upgrade. Assuming you can do the work yourself, which is a fair comparison based on your AT upgrades, the MT number is closer to a grand all in. New disk, pressure plate and CSC should run you about that. I got all that and the flywheel for like $1050 and I'm holding 465wtq. I don't think my disk could handle more than 500wtq but the money spent on flywheel could be used for disk upgrade instead.

soooooooooo technically for $1k on either tranny you're holding 500tq.

soooooooooo there's no real argument there as first stated.

I win!

[jwick]

Originally Posted by rooftop

definitely better vs early generation LCDs. newer LCDs/OLED are just as good or better

Don't you still only get true black from a plasma. And there's an xboxone at home hooked up to a LCD and the PS4 is hooked up to a plasma. The plasma if far superior to the LCD when playing a game.

Oh wait...that's probably just because the PS4 is better. Never mind

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

soooooooooo technically for $1k on either tranny you're holding 500tq.



soooooooooo there's no real argument there as first stated.



I win!

No. Prove that $1k will give you 500wtq in AT