[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[airikrankin]

Didnt say 29 was old, said im 29, hate to sound old

Im not going to change anyones opinion on autos and no one is going to ever convince me to buy an auto. When the day comes that autos are no longer produced, i guess i will no longer buy new cars.


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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JWillis72

I don't see how doing a 1/4 in 7AT vs 6MT are any different besides pushing a clutch and a longer shift? It still comes down to reaction time, giving it as much power as you can without spinning the tires and shifting at the right time.

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Didnt say 29 was old, said im 29, hate to sound old

Im not going to change anyones opinion on autos and no one is going to ever convince me to buy an auto. When the day comes that autos are no longer produced, i guess i will no longer buy new cars.


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well it has nothing to do with age it's more about the tech of autos has come far enough where it's making manual obsolete.

when dealing with performance based cars you're trying to get maximum efficiency from the power you have. if a lighting quick shifting transmission is available then why not go that route. quicker shifts = less rpm drop which equals faster lap times. that's what it's all about since every sports car is tested at the ring and shooting for the fastest lap time possible.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

if a lighting quick shifting transmission is available then why not go that route.

Because manual transmission

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Because manual transmission

.......I hate you lol


now bite the pillow. i'm comin in dry

[airikrankin]

Just think how much faster you will be once cars start driving themselves


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[airikrankin]

Perhaps i view things differently, i bought my z as a toy. Anytime i take it out it is for the fun of it. Bought mine 3yrs ago only put 10k miles on it. Its just not practical for anything else other than spirited driving. Not once did i ever wish it was auto, if i got stuck in traffic alot on say to work, i would wish i had a second car to drive to work that was an automatic. If i go to pittsburgh i just dont drive the z. Tho probly more because of the pot holes than anything. Where i live its open roads so the manual is for me. As far as saying all new sports cars are going auto and manuals are obsolete, this is true because not only are they automatic, there are many other features that keep the car on the road and under control. Allowing bad drivers to be good drivers with the false belief they were the reason for their track times, ignoring everything else that kept them from loosing it around a turn. People with money want to go fast, not all of them have the skills to do it.


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[JARblue]

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Perhaps i view things differently, i bought my z as a toy. Anytime i take it out it is for the fun of it. Bought mine 3yrs ago only put 10k miles on it. Its just not practical for anything else other than spirited driving. Not once did i ever wish it was auto, if i got stuck in traffic alot on say to work, i would wish i had a second car to drive to work that was an automatic.

Obviously, you view things differently. The Z is plenty practical for some. I love having it as my DD. Fits plenty of tools, luggage, and golf clubs

When I'm stuck in traffic, I am glad that I have SRM in the Z. I would like another vehicle to DD, but I wouldn't want an automatic

Originally Posted by Memphis370Z

I respect your opinions. We'll just agree to disagree.

that's not in the spirit of this thread

[Memphis370Z]

Originally Posted by JARblue

that's not in the spirit of this thread

Ha ha! I'm too old to drive MT and I'm too old to be antagonistic, JARblue!


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[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Memphis370Z

Ha ha! I'm too old to drive MT and I'm too old to be antagonistic, JARblue!

Well that's no fun!

[jpkirk]

Originally Posted by Memphis370Z

Ha ha! I'm too old to drive MT and I'm too old to be antagonistic, JARblue!


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Since when is it ever to old to be antagonistic? I am an old fart getting more antagonistic every day. Just ask my wife, she'll tell you, in the most antagonistic way possible She rocks.

I got the 6MT sport package since I like shifting an MT and that SRM makes it sweet.

As far as I am concerned the AT/MT argument is really personal preference. Most of you guys that think AT is a waste of time have probably never driven one in anger. The fact is, in this day and age AT performance on performance cars have improved to the point that, all other factors being the same (car, age, HP, Torque, driver skill, etc.) the AT will invariably win. It has no care about the type of racing either, road or drag racing. Tech is improving performance across the board so get used to it. And the DCT is just going to get better and better and more available as time marches on. Here watch this video about the Porsche 911 Turbo S ...



OK, not fair you say, $200K car you say. It's where it starts. And that PDK is on the Cayman as well, and it rocks and I'm betting has similar longevity if not exactly the same.

Ok, I'm done.

[Shotta]

Originally Posted by jpkirk

Since when is it ever to old to be antagonistic? I am an old fart getting more antagonistic every day. Just ask my wife, she'll tell you, in the most antagonistic way possible She rocks.

I got the 6MT sport package since I like shifting an MT and that SRM makes it sweet.

As far as I am concerned the AT/MT argument is really personal preference. Most of you guys that think AT is a waste of time have probably never driven one in anger. The fact is, in this day and age AT performance on performance cars have improved to the point that, all other factors being the same (car, age, HP, Torque, driver skill, etc.) the AT will invariably win. It has no care about the type of racing either, road or drag racing. Tech is improving performance across the board so get used to it. And the DCT is just going to get better and better and more available as time marches on. Here watch this video about the Porsche 911 Turbo S ...



OK, not fair you say, $200K car you say. It's where it starts. And that PDK is on the Cayman as well, and it rocks and I'm betting has similar longevity if not exactly the same.


Ok, I'm done.

No doubt technical advancements are great but they aren't necessarily adding to a more exciting experience. The cars that drive themselves around a track, that have automatic steering, automatic brakes, and automatic gas (Audi) can beat any human driver around a road course but what's the fun in that. I guess if you want to sit in the passenger seat sipping a latte while your car does everything automatically then awesome. When we get to that point in the near future with automatic everything then we will all just be passengers in life and drivers won't exist. Just imagine 10 years from now some 16 yr old driver, "steer a car manually, pffff, that's old school"


I absolutely love technology, I work for a robotics company, but when it comes to cars I guess I like the old technology for at least some parts. Old Porsche 911 turbo whale tale, with the old school mt, is one of my dream cars.

This thread is very good for both manual and automatic drivers, shows that people are different and passionate about things and that's what keeps life interesting. Although for the most part it's just to take jabs at each other.

[JWillis72]

I can tell you I have never gone into a turn on a race track and thought " wow a clutch pedal would make this fun!", if you think a 7AT is boring then I'm guessing you haven't driven one hard. Using a clutch isn't rocket science or hard to use, the paddles are just faster.


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Originally Posted by JWillis72

Using a clutch isn't rocket science or hard to use, the paddles are just faster.


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Actually, if you think about it, it is. Majority of drivers would be clueless about why there's a third pedal Let alone how to use it.

[Memphis370Z]

Just thought I would weigh in on the discussion.

Originally Posted by airikrankin

auto can shift faster than manual but you are pointing the car and hitting the gas, not really racing. someone with no driving experience would get the same 1/4 mile time. if everyone raced autos it would be car vs car, not driver vs driver

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Racing auto in a straight line, pointless. Just curious as to why someone would choose auto if they planned on racing it and was able to drive a manual?...Auto vs man...auto wins, your not going to be able to shift faster than an auto or be nearly consistent. But in the end do you feel that your the reason you won that race?

Your comments seem to imply that drag racing, in general, is pointless. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. For a lot of the guys that I grew up with, drag racing (street or track) was the gateway that led them to road racing, off road racing, and oval track racing. I've found that each type of motorsport offers its own unique challenges and learning curves, which is only compounded by the drivers choice of equipment.

As you pointed out, if one wants to go from point A to point B, an AT is a great choice because it shifts quicker. If I want to win a 1/4 mile race, to me, choosing which tranny to use is no different than selecting any other part on my car. I drove cars with MTs for nearly 30 years and won my share of races, but most of my losses came at the hands of AT-equipped cars with similar set ups - WHP, weight, etc. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by airikrankin

...As far as saying all new sports cars are going auto and manuals are obsolete, this is true because not only are they automatic, there are many other features that keep the car on the road and under control. Allowing bad drivers to be good drivers with the false belief they were the reason for their track times, ignoring everything else that kept them from loosing it around a turn....

Do you ever use SRM when you drive your Z?

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Perhaps i view things differently, i bought my z as a toy. Anytime i take it out it is for the fun of it. Bought mine 3yrs ago only put 10k miles on it. Its just not practical for anything else other than spirited driving.

My Z is a DD and I find it quite practical. It's comfortable, starts when it should, and goes quick/fast enough for me when I ask it to. My previous car had a backseat (albeit small) and in twelve years of ownership, I can count on one hand the number of times that I had more than two people aboard. Practicality is subjective and ever-changing.

Originally Posted by JWillis72

I can tell you I have never gone into a turn on a race track and thought " wow a clutch pedal would make this fun!", if you think a 7AT is boring then I'm guessing you haven't driven one hard. Using a clutch isn't rocket science or hard to use, the paddles are just faster.

Agreed.

When I bought my Z last September, I didn't necessarily set out to buy one with an AT, but once I drove the MT, I wasn't that impressed, plus I read about the problems with the CSC and didn't want to fool with that. I can't say one is better (whatever that means) than the other, just different. I was ready for something different, so I chose the AT.

All this noted, I am not trying to stir the pot, nor am I attempting to vehemently argue that one type of tranny is better than the other. Just sharing my comments, especially given that I drove MT cars for so long and have only had my Z for less than six months. Thanks for reading.

[airikrankin]