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vtec to vvel 05-09-2015 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3193398)
So non-rev-matching AT transmissions just slow the speed of the engagement so as not to shock the drivetrain yet no revs to the engine are used to bring up the RPMS? Interesting. Sounds like someone driving a MT that doesn't know how :ugh2:

go drive an auto other than a 370Z, and move the shifter to a lower gear while driving, and you'll know what im talking about.

and the last comment, not sure if you are referring to me, but the 370Z is my first auto tranny, and have been driving manual ever since i got my license.

JARblue 05-09-2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3193400)
go drive an auto other than a 370Z, and move the shifter to a lower gear while driving, and you'll know what im talking about.

and the last comment, not sure if you are referring to me, but the 370Z is my first auto tranny, and have been driving manual ever since i got my license.

I understand the difference. I'm sure the crappy Sentra we traded in for the Z was just like that. But our shitty Acura ILX rev matches, and I've been DDing MT for the last 5+ years. So I have no real experience with ATs in recent years to relate.

I was not referring to you at all, but I definitely should have made some jab at you for driving an AT since this is the MT vs AT thread :stirthepot: :icon17:

I was referring to the crappy automatic transmission shifting like someone who doesn't know how to drive a MT :eekdance:

vtec to vvel 05-09-2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3193410)
I understand the difference. I'm sure the crappy Sentra we traded in for the Z was just like that. But our shitty Acura ILX rev matches, and I've been DDing MT for the last 5+ years. So I have no real experience with ATs in recent years to relate.

I was not referring to you at all, but I definitely should have made some jab at you for driving an AT since this is the MT vs AT thread :stirthepot: :icon17:

I was referring to the crappy automatic transmission shifting like someone who doesn't know how to drive a MT :eekdance:

had to get auto at the request of the wifey. otherwise, the other option was to keep my 350Z 6spd and it was time to trade.

though i miss rowing through the gears, surprisingly, no regrets on going auto and the auto on the 370Z is not bad, and the paddle shifters do add a nice touch.

GZ3 06-11-2015 02:45 PM

great read!

Luciano13 06-11-2015 06:38 PM

So do guys with 7A use the paddle Shift so that they don't sound stupid with an aftermarket exhaust :bowrofl::roflpuke2:

Memphis370Z 06-11-2015 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Luciano13 (Post 3226116)
So do guys with 7A use the paddle Shift so that they don't sound stupid with an aftermarket exhaust :bowrofl::roflpuke2:

Now, Lee. Be nice.

Luciano13 06-11-2015 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Memphis370Z (Post 3226121)
Now, Lee. Be nice.

Lol I've been posting here for a long time.... Once.someone post something good.... I reply ;)

Memphis370Z 06-11-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Luciano13 (Post 3226122)
Lol I've been posting here for a long time.... Once.someone post something good.... I reply ;)

I would expect nothing less! Ha! :tup:

GZ3 06-11-2015 11:05 PM

all that matters is that the 7AT is faster :)

FPenvy 06-12-2015 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Luciano13 (Post 3226116)
So do guys with 7A use the paddle Shift so that they don't sound stupid with an aftermarket exhaust :bowrofl::roflpuke2:

whats your point with this?

how does the paddle shifting and aftermarket exhaust matter here?

you seem rusty with your jokes. time to revive the thread I guess lol

jwick 06-12-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226499)
whats your point with this?



how does the paddle shifting and aftermarket exhaust matter here?



you seem rusty with your jokes. time to revive the thread I guess lol


I just a think he's make fun of you AT pansies:stirthepot:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3226521)
I just a think he's make fun of you AT pansies:stirthepot:

you do realize a 7AT still has the 1/4 mile record right?

just in case you 6mt homos forgot :stirthepot:

jwick 06-12-2015 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226523)
you do realize a 7AT still has the 1/4 mile record right?



just in case you 6mt homos forgot :stirthepot:


An AT will always hold the drag record regardless of car. I don't give two ***** about 1/4. I don't buy cars for off the line. I like the twisties. All that being said I'm much more impressed by Phunk's qrt mile times than the time FI put up with an AT. At least Phunk was really doing all the work not just slapping a stick. But I would expect no less from a child of the entitlement generation. Always wanting things done for you:stirthepot:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3226541)
An AT will always hold the drag record regardless of car. I don't give two ***** about 1/4. I don't buy cars for off the line. I like the twisties. All that being said I'm much more impressed by Phunk's qrt mile times than the time FI put up with an AT. At least Phunk was really doing all the work not just slapping a stick. But I would expect no less from a child of the entitlement generation. Always wanting things done for you:stirthepot:

:shakes head:

come to the dragon and we can play on the twisties.

AT still rules there as well. :stirthepot:

HEK 06-12-2015 08:45 AM

funny thing is that when you go to you tube and see a video of a someone test driving a car they state"...but unfortunately we were given an AT to test dive"...:driving:...wonder why would they say that :icon18:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HEK (Post 3226561)
funny thing is that when you go to you tube and see a video of a someone test driving a car they state"...but unfortunately we were given an AT to test dive"...:driving:...wonder why would they say that :icon18:

just so they sound cool and keep the MT guys watching their vids. typically that comment is later followed by "wow this AT is really good!"

ever watch a GT-R video and hear a tester complain? nah lol

GZ3 06-12-2015 08:56 AM

mags only say that because the m6 is more engaging to drive, i dont miss my m6 370 one bit, this auto is allot more fun to me...and that is subjective. Cant argue a subjective thing. But the facts are clear 7AT is faster, at ANY speed..drag, low roll, high roll...anywhere...its just the faster car :)

Exhaust 06-12-2015 09:13 AM

The only reason the AT is better imo is because traffic on 635 in dallas texas is worse than a bag of dicks. A clutch in 1hr-2hr traffic daily is suicide.

jpkirk 06-12-2015 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226523)
you do realize a 7AT still has the 1/4 mile record right?

just in case you 6mt homos forgot :stirthepot:

Ah ... yay ... here we go.

:excited:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jpkirk (Post 3226591)
Ah ... yay ... here we go.

:excited:

hey now someone else revived the thread, jwick (as usual) took it further, and now i'm back :stirthepot:

jpkirk 06-12-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226592)
hey now someone else revived the thread, jwick (as usual) took it further, and now i'm back :stirthepot:

Dude, i'm just :rofl2: at the back and forth from all the 6MT guys that just can't understand the 7AT is faster and all the 7AT guys who can't understand why somebody wants row gears (me), present company excepted of course.

Since I am now just entering the autox world where rumor has it there is typically only one shift anyway, 1st to 2nd, it really doesn't matter. Now it's all about hp and ft lbs ... oh ... yea :driving: ... it's about :driving: as well.

I'm just happy to have the Z and be able to have fun with it.

Luciano13 06-12-2015 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226499)
whats your point with this?

how does the paddle shifting and aftermarket exhaust matter here?

you seem rusty with your jokes. time to revive the thread I guess lol

Lol have u not ever heard an automatic with a nice exhaust.....??
Kind of takes away the nice once you hear it automatically shift:roflpuke2:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jpkirk (Post 3226598)
Dude, i'm just :rofl2: at the back and forth from all the 6MT guys that just can't understand the 7AT is faster and all the 7AT guys who can't understand why somebody wants row gears (me), present company excepted of course.

Since I am now just entering the autox world where rumor has it there is typically only one shift anyway, 1st to 2nd, it really doesn't matter. Now it's all about hp and ft lbs ... oh ... yea :driving: ... it's about :driving: as well.

I'm just happy to have the Z and be able to have fun with it.

the back and forth makes my work days go faster lol

the 7AT is superior but the diehards will never admit it. that's fine too I mean back your beliefs I get it plus it gives me something to do all day lol

as for autox I've seen some say the 7AT cant beat a 6MT whatever. I guess they forget the 7AT has more aggressive gearing down low where we can shoot out of turns faster, shift faster (fro that 1 shift here and there), as well as always having 2 hands on the wheel for the back to back to back tight turns that come with autox.

I know the MT boys don't like facts but if you think that they can argue those few points I now realize they didn't buy MT's to be more engaged.......its because they're idiots :bowrofl:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Luciano13 (Post 3226615)
Lol have u not ever heard an automatic with a nice exhaust.....??
Kind of takes away the nice once you hear it automatically shift:roflpuke2:

how is that even relevant? exhaust sound is exhaust sound.

the fact that there's no long pause between loud and loud because you MT boys suck at rowing gears doesn't change the fact of what is happening.

man, this may be your most asinine comment thus far or just a super poor troll attempt.

you MT boys really need to shake off the rust and come back tomorrow to try again.

:shakes head:

darkphantom 06-12-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226621)
how is that even relevant? exhaust sound is exhaust sound.

the fact that there's no long pause between loud and loud because you MT boys suck at rowing gears doesn't change the fact of what is happening.

man, this may be your most asinine comment thus far or just a super poor troll attempt.

you MT boys really need to shake off the rust and come back tomorrow to try again.

:shakes head:

I'm just now jumping into the thread...but have you owned a manual-transmission car? Not just driven, but owned? Just wondering :)

FPenvy 06-12-2015 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 3226645)
I'm just now jumping into the thread...but have you owned a manual-transmission car? Not just driven, but owned? Just wondering :)

yes I've owned manuals before. believe I've mentioned it a few times in here.

lol silly new guy

darkphantom 06-12-2015 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226648)
yes I've owned manuals before. believe I've mentioned it a few times in here.

lol silly new guy

lol, I just don't understand all the hate is all. I've driven the new C7 7-speed manual and I would drive that all day! However, if you're SOLELY looking at track times and quarter miles,etc...of course a computer will be faster!

I think the real argument should be based on what you do more and if you enjoy rowing your own gears or would rather just have a cheeseburger in one hand :yum:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 3226665)
lol, I just don't understand all the hate is all. I've driven the new C7 7-speed manual and I would drive that all day! However, if you're SOLELY looking at track times and quarter miles,etc...of course a computer will be faster!

I think the real argument should be based on what you do more and if you enjoy rowing your own gears or would rather just have a cheeseburger in one hand :yum:

it's not hate. re-read some of above comments and see I have said this is to kill time and have fun throughout the day. the hate is just our way of showing love for each other lol

anyways.....the MT is a dinosaur of a tranny and the new AT's and DCT's of today's supercars/sports cars is the way to go. I mean if they weren't superior then why is the MT barely even an option in supercars?

yes rowing gears and messing about is fun but not for long.

:tiphat:

GZ3 06-12-2015 10:16 AM

the new autos of today are just as fun as the m6 couterparts. The PDK is seamless in acceleration! its perfection. I got the chance to drive one last week...poetry in motion...the manual was fun too but everyone recognizes autos is THE way. Competitve motorsports is a numbers game and auto delivers above manual. Simple as that...fun is subjective...ive had an m6 370...the auto to me is allot more fun

FPenvy 06-12-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3226681)
the new autos of today are just as fun as the m6 couterparts. The PDK is seamless in acceleration! its perfection. I got the chance to drive one last week...poetry in motion...the manual was fun too but everyone recognizes autos is THE way. Competitve motorsports is a numbers game and auto delivers above manual. Simple as that...fun is subjective...ive had an m6 370...the auto to me is allot more fun

I test drove 3 or 4 (cant remember) 6MT 370's when I was shopping for one. still wasn't sure about it. didn't like the feel of the manual tranny in the Z.

drove one 7AT and bought one the following week.

:tiphat:

GZ3 06-12-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226684)
I test drove 3 or 4 (cant remember) 6MT 370's when I was shopping for one. still wasn't sure about it. didn't like the feel of the manual tranny in the Z.

drove one 7AT and bought one the following week.

:tiphat:

:tup:

after driving the 7AT i was sold also, not to mention (again) they are the fastest too :stirthepot:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 10:23 AM

Luciano has been in here for about 10 min now trying to attempt a comeback......:stirthepot:

i'm waiting :nutswinger:

jwick 06-12-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226592)
hey now someone else revived the thread, jwick (as usual) took it further, and now i'm back :stirthepot:

With piss poor responses I might add. I slapped you silly and you had nothing as a come back. I only chimed in because fuckin with you makes the work day go faster:tup:

FPenvy 06-12-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3226689)
With piss poor responses I might add. I slapped you silly and you had nothing as a come back. I only chimed in because fuckin with you makes the work day go faster:tup:

whatchu talking about queer?

sorry that facts and figures that prove my side wins equates to a "piss poor response" in the eyes of the MT faithful.

:shakes head:

so sad. come harder than that son :yum:

Haboob 06-12-2015 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226621)
how is that even relevant? exhaust sound is exhaust sound.

the fact that there's no long pause between loud and loud because you MT boys suck at rowing gears doesn't change the fact of what is happening.

man, this may be your most asinine comment thus far or just a super poor troll attempt.

you MT boys really need to shake off the rust and come back tomorrow to try again.

:shakes head:

TBF, in auto mode, after market exhaust sounds cheesy.

A DCT though. :drool: Sounds amazing. And those perfect shifts with that pop and fireball. :drool: :drool:

darkphantom 06-12-2015 10:37 AM

I have to admit, the M6 in the 370z makes me feel like I have no idea what I am doing...that clutch engagement point *smh* - the RJM clutch pedal does make it easier but even after driving it for over a month+, it still makes me feel like a noob!

I drove my buddy's Camaro ZL1 and even though he has a twin disc clutch, shifting was SUPER smooth! Still, wouldn't trade in my MT for a slushbox :P I'll take a DCT, though!

FPenvy 06-12-2015 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 3226720)
I have to admit, the M6 in the 370z makes me feel like I have no idea what I am doing...that clutch engagement point *smh* - the RJM clutch pedal does make it easier but even after driving it for over a month+, it still makes me feel like a noob!

I drove my buddy's Camaro ZL1 and even though he has a twin disc clutch, shifting was SUPER smooth! Still, wouldn't trade in my MT for a slushbox :P I'll take a DCT, though!

have you even driven the 370 with a 7AT?

if you have I highly doubt you'd call it a "slush box". it's far from it and its actually one of (if not) the best AT (non-dct) I've ever driven.

darkphantom 06-12-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226731)
have you even driven the 370 with a 7AT?

if you have I highly doubt you'd call it a "slush box". it's far from it and its actually one of (if not) the best AT (non-dct) I've ever driven.

I have not driven a recent one, I remember one a while back, 2010 or so? It was nice but I think the fastest "slushbox" I've driven is from the Lexus IS-F...now those shifts were QUICK!

Luciano13 06-12-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226523)
you do realize a 7AT still has the 1/4 mile record right?

just in case you 6mt homos forgot :stirthepot:

I'll be the first to say Automatic is faster :)
Just sounds funny going down ;)

JARblue 06-12-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jpkirk (Post 3226598)
Dude, i'm just :rofl2: at the back and forth from all the 6MT guys that just can't understand the 7AT is faster and all the 7AT guys who can't understand why somebody wants row gears (me), present company excepted of course.

:mad: why you gotta be all logical :gtfo2:

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226617)
I think the 7AT is superior but the diehards will never admit it that it blows compared to the 6MT.

I know the AT boys like dicks

:eek: :iagree: :tup: ;) :yum:

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3226621)
how is that even relevant? exhaust sound is exhaust sound.

the fact that there's no long pause between loud and loud because you MT boys suck at rowing gears doesn't change the fact of what is happening.

It's relevant because the retarded 7AT changing gears makes nice sounding aftermarket exhausts sound crappy. It is a special skill of the 7AT only :ugh2:

Also, there's only a pause between gears when driving/shifting casually in the city. You won't find any pause in my shifting when I'm pushing her :driving:



Oh how I love this thread :rofl2:


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