Roger that:tup:

:iagree:

Would it bother you if people made fun of you because you prefer Redheads to Blondes? Hot dogs vs hamburgers?

Not too long ago, being proficient with a manual transmission was a sign of a True Sports Car Driver. With the pros going to automatics (and man/auto hybrids), that's not so true any more. A manual is a lot of fun and, to old guys like me, still has a certain cachet to it, but is no longer a requirement for Sports Car status. YMMV

Great quote from Andrew Frankel in Motorsport magazine speaking of the limited return of real manual transmissions in a couple up coming Porsche models and even a Jaguar, "The odd thing is I don’t detect any great realignment of public opinion behind the fitment of manual gears to high-end sports cars and supercars. The truth in most cases is that these cars are bought more by people who want to look good than drive hard. By both allowing you to change like a racing driver while actually making the business of driving easier, paddle shifts offer a win/win solution to fashion victims who either can’t or can’t be bothered to changed gear smoothly. And they’re quicker around the Nürburgring too, as if that actually mattered." Man who speaks the truth.

I remember in 09 when the argument was the AT couldn't perform on a track. Now that theory has been proven wrong the new argument is... :icon18:

yea MT guys are grasping at straws anymore to keep the MT superiority complex alive lol

Don't get it twisted. If i owned a less rambunctious car like a Toyobaru or a civic, MT all the way. But driving the Z at 8/10th's or all the way. I prefer the paddles for accuracy, safety and precision. Even as slow as the 7AT has become with the new DCT updates, It shifts perfectly for my driving style and enjoy its 1st and second jerkiness when stomping on the gas... To me, it gives it an added torquey feel. But thats me.

I don't knock the Z 6MT at all. The shifter feel got better on the 13 models and i hear it's even better on the 15 Nismo. The FR-S makes the perfect argument in the choosing of MT over AT. In a car like the Z, Both trannies are so good, it's just personal preference.

Well, if the great Andrew Frankel has spoken on this matter, then...wait, who the fuk is Andrew Frankel?

Had an automatic G (G35 & G37) and the traditional automatic transmissions just isn't that good. These cars should really come with something better. However, a valve body upgrade did make it better. Switched over to manual and liking much more but it's a weekend car.

If I could live with an automatic transmission in my sports car I'd be driving an ISF. I left Lexus for Infiniti because they made a car I wanted WITH a manual transmission.

It's in my post. He writes for Motorsport magazine. If you're not familiar with Motorsport, well I'm sorry. I would think any sports car enthusiast would be aware of that magazine...it's only been around for something like 80 years.

I was being sarcastic.


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The G series transmission is not as aggressively tuned as the Z. And the paddles make a huge difference in performance. The standard G37 is less aggressive than the S and the S is less aggressive than the Z.

The G has paddles. Wasn't aware there was a difference between the regular G and the S. Off course I have a MT and it only comes in S

real G's come with MT... and brembo's and MY2004.

tl;dr +1

paddles for me :)

What do you base that on? The G has paddles as well.

Only the S has paddles. I owned a G37s right before the Z. Mine was 7AT with paddles. Imho, the standard, G which shifts on the floor has a softer, less torquey, slower shift. The paddle G is quicker and feels better. But doesn't feel as torquey as he Z in first second and third gear. The Z just feels more aggressive when driven hard.

The highly calibrated butt dyno

That is just TMI

So how come nobody whines about SRM? Automation seeping into the manual world.

I love SRM. It was the deciding factor on purchasing the Z with the 6MT. Other than it's gorgeous, felt like race car getting into it (to me anyway) and had more go than anything I had driven in the last 30 years.

But if it had not been for SRM, I probably would have bought an auto.

I didn't care for the SRM much but only played with it for the test drive. I do like the satisfaction of perfect shifting. Seems like SRM would take away some of that fun

I never use the SRM. I've been heel and toeing for so long I just do it automatically so when I had the SRM on the revs were all over the place because the car and I were both trying to match revs. In any case, it is one of those gizmos that I would gladly do without. My only gripe about the Z is that it is way too heavy. I would love to see the next Z have the same HP but have the lightness of a Miata or BRZ. Our weight is getting close to muscle car territory.

The auto has SRM if you have it manual Paddle mode.Revs matches just like a stick.

Doesn't every AT? My wife's Acura has paddle shifters. If you downshift, it rev matches.

SRM doesn't make a perfect shift feel any different. But what you think is perfect and what SRM or the ECU thinks is perfect might be two different things. I have used SRM over the years to hone the perfect shift according to what the car wants. That shift feels the same with or without SRM: beautiful :yum: :driving:

Not familiar with other makes with paddle shifters so u may be right,but other late model automatics without paddle shifters,that I have driven, do not rev match.I was just saying that our Nissan auto does rev match for those using the excuse they bought a manual instead of the 7AT ,because of the rev match.And also our auto rev matches when using the console stick ,so you do not need paddle shifters necessarily to have auto rev match.Which brings me to ask of those who own a Z with a 7AT,but without the paddle shifters,do you get rev match feature when downshifting with the stick in manual mode.

It is the exact same rev match with the stick in manual mode as well as the paddles.

rev match works on both paddles and console shifts.

the no paddles thing on the base 7at is new for the fucked new options nonsense Nissan went with sooooo I wouldn't know lol need a 2015 owner to chime in on that one.

So, I made the comment about buying manual because of the rev-match. I like manual. Doesn't make the manual better when considering acceleration performance. I just like the idea of rowing gears and nobody is going to change that ... for me. It's a personal choice. I have never been able to do the heel-toe thing because of an ankle injury back when I was a teenager. My foot doesn't bend well enough to make that throttle blip. So ... when rev-match came along, I found I could have my cake and eat it too.

There's always a reason for tech in some arena. That's why I don't knock any of this tech. People have different situations and some tech accomodates people for reasoning thats bigger than our small logic.

Are you saying that an AT without paddle shifters does not match engine and transmission speeds when downshifting? I don't believe that is true. All AT cars rev match or else they would just grind the transmission whenever they downshifted.

I don't know of any AT car with paddle shifters that does not rev match. In an AT car without paddle shifters you might still have a stick mode similar to the Z's manual mode - and the car will rev match whenever you use the stick to downshift. Or in an AT car without any sort of manual mode, you just mash down the gas pedal to downshift. The engine RPMs increase when the transmission makes the shift - aka rev matching.

Are you saying that an AT without paddle shifters does not match engine and transmission speeds when downshifting? I don't believe that is true. All AT cars rev match or else they would just grind the transmission whenever they downshifted.

Yes that's what I am saying.My 2015 Toyota Matrix with a 4 speed auto does not rev match.All rev match on a auto is ,the ecu brings the rpm up before the clutches or bands (or however the particular tranny engages)engages the next gear down.On a normal auto the clutch or bands engage the lower gear with some inherent slippage and as they firmly lock together the RPM climbs to what ever speed you are doing,not before hand like a rev match.All my Trans Ams with Turbo 400,s never rev matched.As a matter of fact, I actually destroyed a case on a Turbo 400 tranny downshifting into second before I had slowed down enough years ago.Hence my forum name TA-Kid,mind u I am not a kid anymore or own any Trans Ams anymore either.:)

AT rev-matching is a feature of computer-controlled transmissions - not available back in the Good Old Days. I'm rather surprised that there are newer ATs (eg, your Toyota) without rev-match - once you have the algorithm, adapting to different transmissions should be almost no-cost to the manufacturer. Maybe it's the cost of the sensors on the stick.

AT Rev Match
 

I'm sure glad mine works. I've hit the down shift paddle by mistake several times, while driving "spiritedly " !

My Dodge Charger auto did not rev match either.Corvette has it now and a lot of imports do,but the domestic Auto,s are late to the party.

Mine is a '15 base 7at with no paddles. It does rev match in mm and I love this car.

For those without the paddles:

I use it only 50/50 anymore.

Have the up-down for gear changes swapped (e.g., up to down shift), get an uprev tune to speed and firm them up, get a snazzy boot so it looks nicer and covers the now erroneous "+" "-" symbols, and have fun.

It feels like a sequential shifter/go kart, and is a ton of fun/very intuitive when driving (pull towards you to "grab a gear", "push away" to downshift when slowing down and braking into a corner).

It is great.

Details here http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...irections.html

and for the cosmetics, here http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...ml#post2133775

I ended up using double sided 3m tape to keep it all together, but works great and looks very nice :tup:

not true. all auto's do not rev match. for example, my buddy's lexus is auto and if i move the shifter into a lower gear, yes the rpm will raise, but not in the rev-match way. it sounds like a manual downshifting where you put in a lower gear and slowly release the clutch where the rpms go up on its own and no gas pedal involvement for rev-matching whatsoever.

So non-rev-matching AT transmissions just slow the speed of the engagement so as not to shock the drivetrain yet no revs to the engine are used to bring up the RPMS? Interesting. Sounds like someone driving a MT that doesn't know how :ugh2: