:icon17: Hey, that's what I'm good at!

Hell, a valet tune would be too much for my commute home.

You can't eat applesauce and drive a MT as easy as a AT!


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The point is that this thread allows us to poke fun at each other with a few wise cracks along the way.

If you don't have a sense of humor. :gtfo2:

Get my point? :p

I hate you. :icon17:

You eat in your car? :eek: Shame! :icon17:

I think you lost the point (and humor) of my question. Just leave it at that.

I know you does but that's ok, ya still my *****:tup:

I got some duck sausage for you Tigger.

*Manuals still rule Formula 1
 

*F1 does still use a manual transmission if one defines it as using a clutch instead of a torque convertor to transmit the power. It is hydraulically activated, shifted if you will, but it is not an automatic transmission in the traditional sense.

A torque convertor uses fluid dynamics to transmit torque and will never be as fast as the mechanical clutch (never say never), especially when it is hydraulically activated. Perhaps in the future a fluid will be developed that will have properties that allow instant torque transmission but as of now that is not an option, so the mechanical clutch rules.

Here is an interesting article and video that explains the F1 clutch. Enjoy!

The F1 clutch in detail

Comparing Automatic and manual transmissions

Torque converters explained

F1 outlawed them from using AT, so they make them as close as the rules will let them.


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^^^^^^^^bammmmmm

All these automatic guys secretly want their cars to be manuals. Just admit it already. No one that owns a manual has to defend it, it's the only way to go when you own a sports car. Automatics are just lame.

F1 outlawed automated shifting, not ATs
 

It was still a manual transmission with a clutch but the automatic shifting was controlled by electronics and hydraulics. No torque converter as in a conventional automatic transmission.

F1 outlawed the automated shifting and required driver input.

Check out this article in Car and Driver about the 2015 370Z Nismo seven speed automatic transmission.

Last I checked the viscous limited slip diff uses fluid as a coupler. You manual tranny guys seem to think your **** is one solid mechanical link to the rear wheels. You are wrong. I know I'm reaching here but the whole concept behind the mt vs at debate is that third pedal and not the clutch(es) involved. And if you really want to get technical, the 7AT has 32 clutches. So if the argument is over how power is transmitted, keep walking. And I'll repeat it again... Torque converter lock-up happens from 2nd through 7th. So on a base model with no VLSD and a 7AT (similar to what I had) you wind up with a highly desirable solid mechanical link to the rear wheel. Even though the sport gets power to both wheels, as long as you maintain traction there is no difference in whether one or two wheels get power.

Now, if it's about stroking that phallic symbol in the lower console and a third pedal, now we're making some sense because we are all ghey here anyway. Presto loves my ****.

Ugh. I hate these threads. When I get bored I always come crawling back. And all I wanted was applesauce. :/

Coming from the guy who sold his AT to buy a MT:rofl2:

[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread
 

:iagree: :rofl2:


-Raj

I drive my car as a manual but with a better/faster transmission in it :tiphat:

and MT boys defend the MT constantly just read the million pages in this thread lol

:tiphat:

I only bought manual so my wife can't drive it:ugh2:

that wouldn't work for me. the woman can drive MT lol

My wife wanted the MT. I guess that makes her more of a man than any of you AT driving pansies. Good thing I don't mind the :superghey:

and we all know you're the catcher as well.......I personally know :yum:

Not that there's anything wrong with that

not at all.

:leghump:

First post on this thread.......


Then all hell broke loose

Damn, no wonder my riced out automatic cavalier was so fast back when I was 16... :rofl2: You can have your automatic all day for the 10th of a second it might make your car faster. I just traded in my BMW 335 coupe with the paddles. Hated it, just not the same experience. All of my sports cars have been manuals. Not to mention reliability of BMWs SUCK!

Not all AT are as good as this one. My DD is a Audi TT with AT and it not good when shifting it and my wife's Veloster Turbo is the same way. I think it's the rev matching on the 7 AT that makes it work so much better. You can't do hard downshifts in the other cars like you can the Z so you can't drop into the top end of a gear.


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Never drove an auto Z but I could downshift my BMW from 6th to 4th to go into a corner if thats what you mean? I mean don't get me wrong it worked well, just not my cup of tea.

Would it downshift at close to redline? My other cars will not do it like the Z does.


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Im pretty sure it would. As long as you weren't going to push it passed the rev limit on the downshift.

Haha yesssss it will drop into a hard red line. Do it all the time when making passes on the freeway.


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I sold an AT Z for an MT P. You left that part out. ;)

Details...details...

P?


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lol. Besides. I can't abandon presto. He's too much of a bitch to fend for himself. I gotta be his bigger, badder sidekick. :stirthepot:

Presto! Luuuuuuv youuuu!!!! :yum:

911. :tup:

Understood. His little hipster *** is sensitive :rofl2:

Super sensitive. He needs that numbing lube for his a-hole. And then he's like "go slow baby... go slow... o-oh... slower slower!....ok....uh! omg... omg....I love you Tigger. I love your bouncy tail. Omg! Give it to me! Give it to me!"

*yoink*

I had the exact same BMW experience....hated that SMG paddle shifting piece of crap. I don't know what I was thinking. So glad to be back to a real manual transmission. BMWs might be the ultimate driving machine, but not very often because they are always in the shop. I don't think 6 months went by without some issue cropping up. Never realized how much I would miss that 3rd pedal.

I made the mistake of buying a Mustang with an automatic transmission. Now that I have the 370 6MT, I'm extremely happy. :-)

I don't know why the 50/50 weight distribution things is so heavily marketed. 50/50 is NOT ideal. Don't know who gave em that idea. Oh yeah, and their **** breaks all the time. Not what I would consider a well engineered car.

I agree. I'll never own a pinwheel

The water pump went out on mine with 70k miles and left me stranded on my way home from Myrtle Beach. Also had two or three expensive oil leaks fixed, the power steering leaked, a tranny problem and an engine knocking noise that was supposed to be normal...:confused:

I find it funny that the car I traded in for the BMW was a 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 with close to 400whp. I did all the work and tuning to the car myself. Beat the hell out of it everyday and I never had on issue with it. Stock block, stock clutch, traded it with 83,000 miles and it was still running like a champ. Although I did forget to tell the dealer it ran on a mixture of the E85 and 93 octane...:rofl2: