I see you believe "better" and "easier" can be used interchangeably:rolleyes:

:yum:

Yes, I corrected the known weakness in the 6MT system - the clutch pedal and hydraulic system. It cost me a weekend of labor and around $700 total.

Now if you want to upgrade your 7AT to handle more than 285 ft-lb torque, you get to spend $3500+ including core exchange. My 6MT handles much more than that no problem with the new CSC. So I'm not sure what your argument is ... :stirthepot:

I get better gas mileage and a smoother ride in my MT in traffic than the AT. I also cause less wear and tear on the transmission because I don't shift near as often :twocents:

Says the guy whose 7AT transmission will blow up with any kind of torque put to it :p

i'll show you torque.......fully torqued :yum:

Well, we might both be fully torqued, but yours will give out before mine :nutswinger:

sounds like a challenge :stirthepot:

:nutswinger:

You read my mind ;)

:superghey:

:ugh2:

Some truth to this but IMO stretching it a bit to fit your application. I commute 40 miles each way to work in the Bay Area and did it for years with a MT. Sure, I employed a similar technique as you mentioned (although not sure how it relates to knowing how to drive stick properly as you suggested) but I can tell you hands down the AT is much easier and less stressful in the commute.

My situation changed last year and I purchased a dedicated commute car so the Z sits in my garage mostly now. Had I seen this happening with a crystal ball I would have purchased the 6MT for the Z. However, I don't get disappointed when I take the Z up to the mountains and have fun with it since the 7AT is a very nice unit. It's smooth, quick shifting and behaves the same all the time.

I don't think anyone could really win the argument that a MT is actually better in traffic.

I did say AT was easier in traffic in my post - no argument there.

I drive a manual in Chicago traffic all the time. While I won't say it's easier than an AT, I find it less boring. Kind of like the rest of the the time. Sorry, but for me an AT is just plain boring. I prefer the manual in traffic because it gives me something to do. I have a winter car that is an auto and when stuck in traffic I get a lot more antsy driving it.

So....you wanna race? :excited: I won't even put mine in manual mode.

I wish I could find a direct link to "Jaguars MANual Manual". It's perfect for a thread like this.

If you find any excitement driving in traffic (MT or not) I'm not sure how to help you...:p

Is there anywhere in my statement that says I find driving in traffic exciting?

auto can shift faster than manual but you are pointing the car and hitting the gas, not really racing. someone with no driving experience would get the same 1/4 mile time. if everyone raced autos it would be car vs car, not driver vs driver

Take them to a road course, the 7AT will still shift faster and the drivers skills will mater!


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I'll agree with that. The at will still have the advantage but it would def be driver vs driver. But what about a drifting comp? Can u drift an at? No sarcasm here, is it possible?


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I've never tried but you can get it all kinds of sideways before the yaw sensor kicks in. I assume the 6MT has the yaw sensor also? Can you drift your car without disconnecting it?


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I spend way to much on tires to destroy them on purpose.


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Im no pro drifter, iv takin in sideways but never experienced it shutting down. Wasnt aware it had a yaw sensor


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The 7AT has one for sure and you can't shut it off without wiring a switch in it.


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Can you get it way sideways and not feel like the gas kicks off for a second to stop it?


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disagree.

auto vs auto would not be the same 1/4 time. comes down to many factors one being launch. the launch determines your ET. also the RPM the driver shifts at will also change the ET as well.

we can get into tires, possible diff upgrade, suspension changes, etc... as well.

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U could get into tires diff upgrade sudpension etc but again that effects car, not driver skill. Car vs car

Racing auto in a straight line, pointless. Just curious as to why someone would choose auto if they planned on racing it and was able to drive a manual? If its your dd and you drive in traffic i understand. But if its a weekend toy that you use to compete with i would like to know why choose auto? Auto vs man...auto wins, your not going to be able to shift faster than an auto or be nearly consistent. But in the end do you feel that your the reason you won that race? If 2 stock auto 370 z were racing it would come down to reaction time as to who would win, assuming traction control was used as well, so why bother going the whole 1/4? One will never catch the other. Driving back roads or autox im sure the auto is a blast and if you prefer the auto then great! I Just dont see the thrill in drag racing an auto, but i guess i just view things differently everything growing up was a manual, hell our first lawnmower had a clutch! I live in the country, as a little kid driving tractors, atvs, dirtbikes, motorcycles, my first 5 cars were manuals. Only started driving autos once i started driving farther to work. Im 29, i hate to sound old but it saddens me to slowly see the manual go away


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I DD my Z
it's auto
I can drive stick
and I race it.

I also have one of the better 1/4 mile ET's of all the Z's on here with the auto with 2 mods and a tune. :tiphat:

as for the 1/4 mile reaction time doesn't mean anything really. it's the ET that matters. haven't you seen when GT-R's with LC race? most sit there and get the LC up and have a .500 RT.

wait 29 is old now? wtf?!

I don't see how doing a 1/4 in 7AT vs 6MT are any different besides pushing a clutch and a longer shift? It still comes down to reaction time, giving it as much power as you can without spinning the tires and shifting at the right time.

Didnt say 29 was old, said im 29, hate to sound old

Im not going to change anyones opinion on autos and no one is going to ever convince me to buy an auto. When the day comes that autos are no longer produced, i guess i will no longer buy new cars.


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well it has nothing to do with age it's more about the tech of autos has come far enough where it's making manual obsolete.

when dealing with performance based cars you're trying to get maximum efficiency from the power you have. if a lighting quick shifting transmission is available then why not go that route. quicker shifts = less rpm drop which equals faster lap times. that's what it's all about since every sports car is tested at the ring and shooting for the fastest lap time possible.

Because manual transmission :driving:

:stirthepot:

.......I hate you lol


now bite the pillow. i'm comin in dry :yum:

Just think how much faster you will be once cars start driving themselves


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Just my opinion, but racing anything in a straight line seems totally pointless. I don't care what I drive I'm not racing in a straight line. It's just a waste of gas & tires with a risk of getting busted. Sure, there's some driver skill involved but not much IMO. Besides, if measuring manhood I'm ready for the real test. :tiphat:

Racing on a road course is totally different and I agree with what you're saying. I suppose if the car was mainly track then sure, 6MT. But really, how many of us spend more than 20% of our time with the Z on a track? So, if you're going to do mixed driving then nothing wrong with considering the 7AT and honing your cornering skills instead of how to shift a transmission.

Not saying it's superior but...

How many 6MT divers have been caught in horrible traffic and think (or wish for) the 7AT and are scared to admit it? I would venture to say many here have imagined this. :stirthepot:

If we're being 100% honest here I'll admit there are times I regret the 7AT because I've always driven MT. My Z is no longer my DD and more of a weekend toy so this makes me feel a bit more strongly this way. I still don't regret my decision enough to do something about it or really care a ton because the 7AT works so well (very, very well in fact). Also, my lady can drive the car if I have a bit too much to drink (usually when she's eager to talk a lot lol) so there is another advantage. Would I trade for a 6MT if it was an even swap? Sure, I probably would actually now that my needs have changed but it's just not too important to me.

Never.


Ever.


And I've been stuck in some traffic that shut down I-35 for hours. I contemplated crossing over the grass to get to the frontage road several times and finally did, joining only a couple of pick up trucks willing to go down a 15' tall embankment into weeds up to the window in my Z and back up a 10' embankment to get onto the frontage road (where there was no curb). Not once did it cross my mind in those three hours that I should have gotten an AT.

Jesus, I would have just pulled over and grabbed a pint (or 4) to wait it out...;)

You took the damn thing off road 4x4 style? :eek:

Perhaps i view things differently, i bought my z as a toy. Anytime i take it out it is for the fun of it. Bought mine 3yrs ago only put 10k miles on it. Its just not practical for anything else other than spirited driving. Not once did i ever wish it was auto, if i got stuck in traffic alot on say to work, i would wish i had a second car to drive to work that was an automatic. If i go to pittsburgh i just dont drive the z. Tho probly more because of the pot holes than anything. Where i live its open roads so the manual is for me. As far as saying all new sports cars are going auto and manuals are obsolete, this is true because not only are they automatic, there are many other features that keep the car on the road and under control. Allowing bad drivers to be good drivers with the false belief they were the reason for their track times, ignoring everything else that kept them from loosing it around a turn. People with money want to go fast, not all of them have the skills to do it.


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I can tell you I have never gone into a turn on a race track and thought " wow a clutch pedal would make this fun!", if you think a 7AT is boring then I'm guessing you haven't driven one hard. Using a clutch isn't rocket science or hard to use, the paddles are just faster.


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Actually, if you think about it, it is. Majority of drivers would be clueless about why there's a third pedal Let alone how to use it.