OMFG Fail just fail get your one speed bitchbox outta here. You know why there is no performance aftermarket for the new maxima? Cuz it's a cvt and it can hardly hold the stock power and there is no way to beef it up. CVT's all need to die in a fire they are even worse than a regular automatic and are only good for point a to point b boredom. If they ever make a car that drives itself it will have a cvt.

Edit: unless sarcasm in which case consider the above an elaboration.

I never said its a BAD trans, just don't get a head of yourself saying youd essentially rather have the 7AT over a DTC because its soo reliable and shifts almost as fast as a DTC. There is NO comparison. Iv driven the 7AT as well as the DCT in the GTR, 458, and the Porsche PDK and they all make the 7AT feel like just any other auto.

It was sarcasm....and a rental....:tup:

FWIW, I'm not making a case, per se, for old vs. new tech, but rather for performance metrics.

If a TC impelled AT performs as well as a standard MT (in the hands of a competent driver) in terms of speed, precision, etc, then that seems like a reasonable lower bound.

If it outperforms a MT, then we have no reason to even debate it, other than personal preference.

My point is that there is a weird and somewhat arbitrary view of "manual-ness" that doesn't always map onto the actual mechanisms involved or the performance of those mechanisms.

Performance does seem to matter in these evaluations, but not as much as perceived manual-ness. That makes no sense to me.

As someone else on here posted, if a TC impelled AT performs as well and as reliably as a more complex automated dual or single clutch "manual" transmission, why opt for the more complex system?

However, my guess is that folks would still prefer the "automated manual" over the TC impelled automatic simply because of perceived manual-ness, even though for the end user the inputs, qualia, and results would be the same.

That's kind of silly.

A thought experiment: If the GT-R switched to a better performing TC based trans, that even lowered the cost to the consumer. would people hate it on principal? If so, why?

Seems to me that, from a strictly performance standpoint, the best transmission is the one that will get you through the quarter or around the track the fastest. Doesn't matter what's on the inside or what it's called.

For a DD, Jordo! sums it up very well: "personal preference." I've had several manual transmissions over the years and thoroughly enjoyed driving them. I still prefer an auto in my DD.
When it comes to automatic transmissions, the 370Z has the best I've driven (but my experience is limited). Manual mode is fun and I have no doubts that it can shift faster than I can shift a manual.

YMMV :driving:

Compared to the 911 pdk I drove, I feel the Z does have a great gearbox, of course its no PDK but the difference is damn minimal.

I think it just irks me that the AT vs MT debate is always hamstrung by the view that anything which deviates in design from a (more or less) three pedal MT is not only lesser but deserving of contempt and scorn. It becomes a debate over "right" vs "wrong" and then totally spirals out of control.

It's a machine, not the Code of Hammurabi.

it also comes down to one can handle modifications the other can't

Look I have the AT, its great don't get me wrong but sometimes I wish I had an MT. And as you can see it will be vice versa when sometimes I would want an AT. We cant things that we don't have and once we do its not the same so everyone wins / thread

Regarding FI, that is a fair criticism. I have no problem with negative reviews that are data driven. The failure rate is relatively high for the stock 7AT under boost.

That said, I have no idea how many folks with boost also get a beefier clutch at the same time...

EDIT:
And, to be clear, I also have no problems with criticisms based solely on personal preference -- its the brow beating or attacking of others in order to help them make the "right" choice that rankles me. Why shame people into adopting someone else's views?

See further, the recent thread by somebody who doesn't want to "embarrass" himself by purchasing a 7AT... that's kind of a shitty and unnecessary way to feel about a major purchase like a car, and it speaks volumes on this issue.

No, it does not. I had a 2010 Maxima SV with the paddles, it's nothing like the way the Z shifts. Sorry, but I just had to chime in and disagree before you lead some poor lad astray.

See above....

Manual vs AT
 

I think most people will dissagree that the Z should only come with a standard transmission. I like 6 speeds and didn't get a chance to drive an auto but I wonder those who chose an auto over a stick and why. I guess if your stuck in traffic most ot your commute it wouild make sense, just asking since I did a search and came empty. :driving:

Enjoy: http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ic-thread.html

You're not searching hard enough

FP? Hello?? FP, really, you're slipping, like the clutch in your AT.

I think FP is scared to show his face cuz he knows the MT is a better option:stirthepot:

Awww ... it got moved ...

sigh.

Here's a question.....
How many guys pick MT vs AT in video games:stirthepot:

A/T is quicker.

Come on man, everybody knows that the AT in games is faster - most people who develop these games are in their early 20's and don't know how to drive an MT much less code it up properly - I'd be stupid if I didn't choose the AT there because I like to win when I play.

Everybody knows it's different in real life though. :stirthepot:

Auto, less driver involving but has its perks.

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Quit hating when the ECU is faster than human input. Auto's are the borg so resistance is futile.

If AT's are the borg, I'll take resistance every time. :tup:

I would have to pick auto since I don't have a wheel with a shifter ... or a wheel for that matter. Just the stupid joystick on the controller. Course this would imply that I play these games. Used to but life is kinda keeping me busy doing other things.

I have a 7 A/T with the sport package and I love it.
I do like manual but I also like the feel of the paddle shifters xD
(Also, less things to mod/upgrade) lol

I felt like giving all you homo's a break before coming back in and destroying you :tiphat:

I would like to say that I made some concerted efforts as of late to try the fastest shift from 1-2 I could make. I've made probably 10-15 of them over the past few weeks.

One time only ... I felt like I had a shift that was reasonably close to the fastest shift I've experienced in the 7AT. I feel like the difference would have been negligible even on a drag strip (as there are other variables that would make more of difference in a single run). However, I am not consistent like the 7AT.

Oh and of course, I got pulled over on that run. The cop said he paced me at 76 mph when I shifted from 2nd to 6th at ~62 mph. Thankfully, his motorcycle takes video footage, which he reviewed and only gave me a warning when realized I did not continue accelerating beyond the speed limit.

Hmmm ... is that what feeling destroyed is like? Somehow ... I expected ... more.

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:hello::tiphat:

its Monday i'm still waking up lol

:shakes head:

Funny to see people's views here...

Why care so much 6MT vs. 7AT? I've been driving stick since I learned to drive and do it quite well. I'm pretty sure most here who argue so much in favor of the 6MT can't shift as well as the 7AT in reality. Not insulting anyone here, but trying to figure out the whole point of the argument. Just buy what you want and live with it. I have the 7AT and I'm quite happy with it. Sure, it can get boring but in the mountains I don't feel like I'm missing anything over my S2k. I mean really, do you feel THAT much more connected to your car in 90% of your driving to work/the store/movies/etc just because you have the 6MT?

I get it, shifting on your own is cool. If the 7AT wasn't so good I would be totally in favor of the 6MT. However, both are great transmissions so just pick what you want. I personally feel the weakness of the clutch slave cylinder makes the 6MT a headache to begin with since replacing it requires dropping the transmission.

This guy gets it. Agree 100%. 7AT is better than just about every 370Z MT driver. But get what you want. I solved the clutch pedal and clutch hydraulic system weaknesses by purchasing the RJM pedal assembly and Z1's CSC Elimination Kit (before OEM CSC failed). No more dropping the transmission to fix hydraulic system issues.

The one thing you don't get is the whole point of the argument. Which is ...... :stirthepot: http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/blueevil.gif

Need some help FPenvy?

Has anyone had a 7AT give out on them? When I supercharged the car I expected it to give but after beating on it for over a year it's still rock solid. It always gains on cars when they shift and will spin the wheels into 3rd, it might not be a double clutch but it's better than most give it credit for.


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So you had to modify it to compete with the A/T???
:stirthepot:

Get off the fence homie and pick a side.

I did, based on my needs at the time. Can't you read? ;)

Ok, back to :stirthepot: if that's all that matters here.

I'll add my .02 here in regards to people saying manual isn't great in traffic. Sure, AT is probably "easier" in traffic, but I've commuted in traffic the past several years in manual transmission cars and I never once wished I had an AT. Truth is if you know how to drive stick properly by leaving enough room between you and the car in front, driving stick in traffic is a breeze and hardly requires a gear change. To that point, driving manual helps foster and promote better driving habits.

Probably??? Without a doubt an auto is better in traffic.

No argument to be had here on that and thank you for proving an auto is better once again. :icon18:

Yup sure can!