[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread
 

This thread is full of awesome. It's clear manual guys love manuals and auto guys love autos. I am firmly in the I never ever want to own a auto sports car camp no matter how fast an auto can shift. There is a hell of a lot more getting enjoyment out of driving a car and for me having a third pedal and stick shifter adds to a great driving experience. I'm sure this is the same feeling for every other manual transmission sports car driver on the planet. They didn't buy the manual because it was cheaper, in fact I had to search through a pile of used autos before I finally found a manual in the color I wanted. There's probably 20 autos for sale for every 1 manual I like that.

Jaguar just brought a manual transmission back into their sports car after not having it for years, that what their buyers demanded.

It's funny because coming from the bmw world for the past 20 years, none of the bmw performance people will even touch an auto coupe bmw, rwd and the ability to shift kept them ahead of the other euro cars.

Just thought I would weigh in on the discussion.

Your comments seem to imply that drag racing, in general, is pointless. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. For a lot of the guys that I grew up with, drag racing (street or track) was the gateway that led them to road racing, off road racing, and oval track racing. I've found that each type of motorsport offers its own unique challenges and learning curves, which is only compounded by the drivers choice of equipment.

As you pointed out, if one wants to go from point A to point B, an AT is a great choice because it shifts quicker. If I want to win a 1/4 mile race, to me, choosing which tranny to use is no different than selecting any other part on my car. I drove cars with MTs for nearly 30 years and won my share of races, but most of my losses came at the hands of AT-equipped cars with similar set ups - WHP, weight, etc. Just sayin'.

Do you ever use SRM when you drive your Z?

My Z is a DD and I find it quite practical. It's comfortable, starts when it should, and goes quick/fast enough for me when I ask it to. My previous car had a backseat (albeit small) and in twelve years of ownership, I can count on one hand the number of times that I had more than two people aboard. Practicality is subjective and ever-changing.

Agreed.

When I bought my Z last September, I didn't necessarily set out to buy one with an AT, but once I drove the MT, I wasn't that impressed, plus I read about the problems with the CSC and didn't want to fool with that. I can't say one is better (whatever that means) than the other, just different. I was ready for something different, so I chose the AT.

All this noted, I am not trying to stir the pot, nor am I attempting to vehemently argue that one type of tranny is better than the other. Just sharing my comments, especially given that I drove MT cars for so long and have only had my Z for less than six months. Thanks for reading.

[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread
 

I dont think drag racing is pointless, just buying an auto to drag race. Those similarly equipped cars that were auto, the car beat you, not the driver. Do you think if that car was a manual u would have won? Thats the only point im trying to make with drag racing. If i were to race an auto i would probly loose but i wouldnt think it was because that guy was better than me. I know that an automatic shifts faster than a human. But if i were to race someone else in a manual and loose, then that person is a better driver

Racing on a road coarse or anything with hard turns the transmission means almost nothing(other than fun factor for some people) much skill/balls are required. It would be a drivers race.

Drag Racing an auto, well not much skill required

Also no i do not use rev match, i bought a base, had no interest for it

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I respect your opinions. We'll just agree to disagree.

And so it goes.

At least the tarring and feathering of the heretics around here (including me :tiphat: ) seems to have petered out.

It is interesting that a few DCT/super-slush-box only sports car manufacturers have brought back a clutch pedal operated car for a few specialized models. I think that is a-okay by me.

I also think its great that I can use the pedals or gear shift for rapid up and downshifts when I want to play around (and you can tune them to suit your driving style at load, such that gentler at light load and neck-snapping under moderate load), and then when Tampa traffic forces me to drive at 30 mph in a 45 (meaning up to 50 is technically okay...), I can slide the car into D and cruise with (somewhat) less cursing and screaming.

Nothing against folks who prefer to work the clutch under any and all conditions, but so long as I have control when I want it and can just cruise comfortably when merely trying to endure my commute, I'm happy.

If not a Z35, the next car is going to be a 4c. Bring on the DCT :tup:

You are reading my mind.

It's all preference, no right or wrong in any of the choices. My Srt8 is Autoshift and I've always driven it like that since day 1 and have always changed the gears myself and you grow to love it. My Nismo is fun too and can't even imagine it being anything but a manual as a lot of us believe sports cars should be. If it's noted by car manufacturers that no one can shift gears faster than today's modern gearboxes and reaction time is the only flaw in a drag race between two stock cars, then why do some argue racing autos are pointless when the car is faster and winning races seems to be the whole point? Fun Factor maybe?

I could never use the Z as a daily driver, it's just not practical for me. I guess if I could only have one car and it had to be a Z, then I would probably pick the AT, and mainly because of traffic.

the Z is practical in many ways I feel in the warm weather months at least. I mean if you're hauling kids or a construction worker I can see why it wouldn't be practical. I DD mine when the weather is warm (end of march-nov.) and it's perfect. even can fit 2 golf bags in the back.

I rarely take my Z into the city either based on parking. also based on the dbags who also park terribly there. Pittsburgh has the worst parking ever.

and just because a car is auto doesn't mean it gives a false sense of driving ability. I don't even know how my car actually reacts in "auto" mode. I never use it as an automatic.

preach! :tup:

you realize top fuel runs automatics right? lol the auto being pointless in drag racing argument doesn't hold much water.

and the SRM is one of the greatest features on the Z. you're missing out on that one especially being a manual transmission advocate. unless you're the purist type then you'll think its pointless.

No where to pull off. The shoulder was being used as a lane. And the embankment drops off pretty quick. Also, the nearest bar was across the highway.

Yes I did. It was a very calculated maneuver though. I was getting frustrated that no one was attempting to cross (I would have done so way sooner in any of my previous SUVs). Finally a few pick up trucks started crossing where the slopes weren't quite as steep. I watched their various paths because I couldn't see the ground due to the weeds and I didn't want to take a sharp angle down the hill. Finally, two trucks took the same shallow path, which seemed very smooth as I watched their suspension. I noted the exact location, and when I approached, I followed the same. No issues :tup:

Obviously, you view things differently. The Z is plenty practical for some. I love having it as my DD. Fits plenty of tools, luggage, and golf clubs :twocents:

When I'm stuck in traffic, I am glad that I have SRM in the Z. I would like another vehicle to DD, but I wouldn't want an automatic http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...images/ack.gif

:shakes head: that's not in the spirit of this thread :stirthepot: :icon17:

[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread
 

Ha ha! I'm too old to drive MT and I'm too old to be antagonistic, JARblue!


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It's a great feature when driving the car around the city :tup:

I turn it off when I do 'spirited' driving in order to keep my skills up to speed :driving:

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SRM is great in traffic. If you like to do your own rev-matching, turn it off or you'll just end up fighting it.

:icon18: Well that's no fun! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...images/lol.gif

Since when is it ever to old to be antagonistic? I am an old fart getting more antagonistic every day. Just ask my wife, she'll tell you, in the most antagonistic way possible :rofl2: She rocks.

I got the 6MT sport package since I like shifting an MT and that SRM makes it sweet.

As far as I am concerned the AT/MT argument is really personal preference. Most of you guys that think AT is a waste of time have probably never driven one in anger. The fact is, in this day and age AT performance on performance cars have improved to the point that, all other factors being the same (car, age, HP, Torque, driver skill, etc.) the AT will invariably win. It has no care about the type of racing either, road or drag racing. Tech is improving performance across the board so get used to it. And the DCT is just going to get better and better and more available as time marches on. Here watch this video about the Porsche 911 Turbo S ...



OK, not fair you say, $200K car you say. It's where it starts. And that PDK is on the Cayman as well, and it rocks and I'm betting has similar longevity if not exactly the same.

Ok, I'm done.

No doubt technical advancements are great but they aren't necessarily adding to a more exciting experience. The cars that drive themselves around a track, that have automatic steering, automatic brakes, and automatic gas (Audi) can beat any human driver around a road course but what's the fun in that. I guess if you want to sit in the passenger seat sipping a latte while your car does everything automatically then awesome. When we get to that point in the near future with automatic everything then we will all just be passengers in life and drivers won't exist. Just imagine 10 years from now some 16 yr old driver, "steer a car manually, pffff, that's old school"


I absolutely love technology, I work for a robotics company, but when it comes to cars I guess I like the old technology for at least some parts. Old Porsche 911 turbo whale tale, with the old school mt, is one of my dream cars.

This thread is very good for both manual and automatic drivers, shows that people are different and passionate about things and that's what keeps life interesting. Although for the most part it's just to take jabs at each other.

wait.....I thought that's what it was for? :wtf2:

Im with shotta, explains my point from earlier, with new tech in cars it makes good racers out of bad drivers. I guess its more than auto vs man transmissions. But auto vs manual cars, at what point do u say my car is faster than yours instead of im a better driver than you are. Nothin feels better than racing a car that should flat out smoke you yet you end up winning because that guy cant drive


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you know that happens on the drag strip too :stirthepot:.......just saying lol

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Ya with manual transmissions


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exactly.

it means they are the lesser setup. :tiphat:

Do you AT guys even lift?


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no we do not need to lift nor should we lift when shifting.

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You must lift to power shift!!!


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no I just perfected the no lift shift. duh! :bowrofl:

Yup, I totally agree ... you just described "personal experience." You like manual, I like manual with SRM, FP likes AT. We get to choose. Some will want that experience of not having to pay attention, where a car is just a car that gets you from point a to point b. No amount of wheedling will change a preference in personal experience. It's like religion and free will. Frankly, I have no desire to go to war because FP doesn't desire the same personal experience that I want. As long as we can all motor on in what ever fashion we desire, life is good.

So is friendly competition.

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work's slow so i'm down for a debate :stirthepot:

as for competition let's compare ET's......I mean penis size. :bowrofl:

I think we've figured this out...

The MT guys can shift well and drag race in a straight line and the AT guys can actually win at a road course with excellent driving skills other than rowing a shifter and pushing a clutch pedal. :stirthepot:

BTW, I'm not an AT lover or fan I'm a MT guy (still have my s2k). However, I think the 7AT on the Z is quite nice and better than the 6MT I test drove in 2011 when I was buying. I felt the 7AT fit my needs and I also thought the 6MT felt clunky.

To each their own. As long as you drive a Z you're cool enough for me. :tiphat:

unless it's stanced.......

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

totally, like AAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps69968eb7.jpg

or

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps1c1db98c.jpg

or

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/...psd0bb0519.jpg

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haha sooo terrible.

Those photos are for auto drivers that like to drag race,lol. Notice no gears and pic came from a drag racing site, typical auto guy stuff:stirthepot:

Came across this

Wow this thread is old..... He said Blackberry! Lol


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34 pages latter. Lol this guy knew what was coming!


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We all did, but you know ... a holes and opinions. I have one of each. :stirthepot:

I wonder how many 6MT drivers know that the 7AT comes with a secret turbo installed...:stirthepot:

Happy Friday! :driving:

I knew that. But I also knew that the AT can't handle the torque, so they had to dial everything back. In the end the AT was at the same power levels as the MT :stirthepot:

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