Soft Clutch / Empty reservoir

GxH_NISMO · 11-24-2016, 02:21 PM

Hey everyone,

So I just got my car back from the dealer after having them look at a few issues, one of which being the feel of the clutch.

Their diagnosis was that nothing was wrong with the clutch and operated normally.

I got the car back and the clutch immediately felt softer. I drove it home and pressure built back up but still didn't feel normal.

I then had the bright idea to check the clutch fluid. Lo and behold the clutch reservoir was completely empty.

Today is thanksgiving so the dealer was closed so I filled up with some Prestone DOT 4 fluid until I get it looked at and flushed. The clutch still has a significant amount of soft play to it.

Any idea if this is a CSC issue or perhaps something else?

* it blows my mind how you tell the dealer that the clutch doesn't feel normal and they don't even check the fluid level!?!

2016 Nismo MT 11,000 miles

GxH_NISMO · 11-24-2016, 02:25 PM

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Chuck33079 · 11-24-2016, 02:31 PM

Csc.

Z Runner · 11-24-2016, 08:39 PM

Definatly CSC issue, same was happening to me until few days later i couldn't change gears.

Rusty · 11-24-2016, 08:55 PM

Bet your CSC is leaking inside the bell housing.

Zbrah · 11-24-2016, 09:18 PM

More info here Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures

axmea? · 11-25-2016, 01:01 AM

OP please tell us what LA dealership diagnosed it to the best of their ability and gave your car a clean bill of health?

Presto · 11-25-2016, 02:19 AM

goodbye CSC. Also your dealer tech is an idiot.

GxH_NISMO · 11-25-2016, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axmea?

OP please tell us what LA dealership diagnosed it to the best of their ability and gave your car a clean bill of health?

1st Nissan - Simi Valley

Going to take it to Keyes in Van Nuys today or Universal City Nissan.

Any recommendations?

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Chuck33079 · 11-25-2016, 10:55 AM

Call each of them, and ask which one will install an aftermarket csc if you bring it to them. Then call Joe at ZSpeed and grab a HD CSC so you don't have this problem again. Also, make sure you have them look into the condition of the clutch. Clutches don't like being soaked in brake fluid.

GxH_NISMO · 11-25-2016, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Call each of them, and ask which one will install an aftermarket csc if you bring it to them. Then call Joe at ZSpeed and grab a HD CSC so you don't have this problem again. Also, make sure you have them look into the condition of the clutch. Clutches don't like being soaked in brake fluid.

That seems to be the smarter direction. However, I dropped off the car this morning at Keyes Nissan in Van Nuys and hopefully they'll fix it for now.
I'll definitely go with a HD CSC should all else fail.

Thank you everyone for all of your feedback.

Ventruck · 11-25-2016, 02:28 PM

I don't know what it is, but it seems like some dealers will play dumb about this, or maybe just are dumb period.

I'm an advocate for getting the clutch and flywheel replaced to your liking as well, since they have the drop the transmission anyway, and you'd have to replace the master regardless. And also as Chuck said, bell housing is probably all soaked and the current clutch may have suffered a bit. With that I'd want to go to a specialist vs. dealership if you're not afraid of the warranty hit. Specialty Z is in Chatsworth. I've only dealt with them remotely but pretty much everyone would agree they give top service.

Chuck33079 · 11-25-2016, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I don't know what it is, but it seems like some dealers will play dumb about this, or maybe just are dumb period.

I'm an advocate for getting the clutch and flywheel replaced to your liking as well, since they have the drop the transmission anyway, and you'd have to replace the master regardless. And also as Chuck said, bell housing is probably all soaked and the current clutch may have suffered a bit. With that I'd want to go to a specialist vs. dealership if you're not afraid of the warranty hit. Specialty Z is in Chatsworth. I've only dealt with them remotely but pretty much everyone would agree they give top service.

Specialty z is hit or miss on their stuff. Unless you're local, I'd look elsewhere. ZSpeed or Z1 will get you what you need.

GxH_NISMO · 11-25-2016, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I don't know what it is, but it seems like some dealers will play dumb about this, or maybe just are dumb period.

I'm an advocate for getting the clutch and flywheel replaced to your liking as well, since they have the drop the transmission anyway, and you'd have to replace the master regardless. And also as Chuck said, bell housing is probably all soaked and the current clutch may have suffered a bit. With that I'd want to go to a specialist vs. dealership if you're not afraid of the warranty hit. Specialty Z is in Chatsworth. I've only dealt with them remotely but pretty much everyone would agree they give top service.

I agree the factory clutch kind of sucks. Considering it's still so new I'll wait until I'm out of warranty before I swap everything out.

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Chuck33079 · 11-25-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GxH_NISMO

I agree the factory clutch kind of sucks. Considering it's still so new I'll wait until I'm out of warranty before I swap everything out.

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They're most likely going to have to replace the clutch anyway since it got soaked with brake fluid. The best bet would be to find a dealer that will eat the warranty labor and you bring them the parts. Csc, clutch,flywheel, HD master.

11-24-2016, 02:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
GxH_NISMO Base Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: LOS ANGELES Posts: 51 Drives: 16 • NISMO TECH • MT Rep Power: 8	Soft Clutch / Empty reservoir Hey everyone, So I just got my car back from the dealer after having them look at a few issues, one of which being the feel of the clutch. Their diagnosis was that nothing was wrong with the clutch and operated normally. I got the car back and the clutch immediately felt softer. I drove it home and pressure built back up but still didn't feel normal. I then had the bright idea to check the clutch fluid. Lo and behold the clutch reservoir was completely empty. Today is thanksgiving so the dealer was closed so I filled up with some Prestone DOT 4 fluid until I get it looked at and flushed. The clutch still has a significant amount of soft play to it. Any idea if this is a CSC issue or perhaps something else? * it blows my mind how you tell the dealer that the clutch doesn't feel normal and they don't even check the fluid level!?! 2016 Nismo MT 11,000 miles Last edited by GxH_NISMO; 11-24-2016 at 05:44 PM. Reason: edit

11-24-2016, 02:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Csc. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-24-2016, 08:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,851 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	Bet your CSC is leaking inside the bell housing. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

11-24-2016, 09:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5451	More info here Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures SouthArk370Z likes this. __________________

11-25-2016, 01:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
axmea? A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,233 Drives: WELL ZED PW 6MT Rep Power: 53240	OP please tell us what LA dealership diagnosed it to the best of their ability and gave your car a clean bill of health? __________________ >MyZ's Album< NISMO Convert/ECUTEK/Takeda CAI/F.I. HFC NR CB Carbon/F.I. 34 Row Oil Cooler/4.08 Final Drive /Powertrix+Swifts/Hotchkis/SPL/Whiteline/TWM/Zoom Engineering/EVO-R/AeroJacket Vented CF Fenders + CF Spoiler/Avant Garde-WORK/NST/Morimoto Halo/STi Clear Lenses/Carbon Signal Automotive/RJM Performance/ZSpeed Clutch Flywheel CSC delete Last edited by axmea?; 11-25-2016 at 08:42 AM.

11-24-2016, 02:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
GxH_NISMO Base Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: LOS ANGELES Posts: 51 Drives: 16 • NISMO TECH • MT Rep Power: 8	IMG_1192.JPG Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-24-2016, 08:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Z Runner Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 331 Drives: 2016 370Z KAD M Base Rep Power: 26	Definatly CSC issue, same was happening to me until few days later i couldn't change gears.

11-25-2016, 02:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
Presto Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Home Posts: 123 Drives: Car Rep Power: 14	goodbye CSC. Also your dealer tech is an idiot.

11-25-2016, 10:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Call each of them, and ask which one will install an aftermarket csc if you bring it to them. Then call Joe at ZSpeed and grab a HD CSC so you don't have this problem again. Also, make sure you have them look into the condition of the clutch. Clutches don't like being soaked in brake fluid. shirokenkami likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-25-2016, 02:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 782 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22897	I don't know what it is, but it seems like some dealers will play dumb about this, or maybe just are dumb period. I'm an advocate for getting the clutch and flywheel replaced to your liking as well, since they have the drop the transmission anyway, and you'd have to replace the master regardless. And also as Chuck said, bell housing is probably all soaked and the current clutch may have suffered a bit. With that I'd want to go to a specialist vs. dealership if you're not afraid of the warranty hit. Specialty Z is in Chatsworth. I've only dealt with them remotely but pretty much everyone would agree they give top service.

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