Short Throw Shifter and Syncro Rev Match

m4a1mustang · 11-15-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by imag

2. Shorter throw on the shift due to changed shift fulcrum: while I generally like shorter throws, especially on the Miata and S2K transmissions (the two best ever, as far as I'm concerned), I'm not completely convinced that the increased shift effort matches this transmission. Initially, the fact that I really needed to pull on it to get it out of gear (especially when the tranny is cold) actually lowered my shift accuracy as far as timing.

3. Shortened gearshift shaft: This part sucks, IMHO. The shift lever is way too short on the kit. Not only is the fulcrum lowered for a shorter throw but the knob is way low. This means that the knob is further from the wheel (not good), the shift effort is way too high for smooth shifting around town, and, a minor quibble, the ergonomics felt way worse to me. I actually added parts to the shifter to bring the knob up to where it was before. The throws are shorter due to #2, but the shifter length is like stock, which brings shift effort back to a reasonable level and returns the ergonomics to what I like.

I very much agree!

I have been thinking about modifying it to raise the knob back to factory height like you, but I may also return to stock.

This transmission just isn't suited for quick shifts, so other than taking away some of the factory "slop," I don't see where a short-shifter is beneficial. Like you said, from an ergonomics and casual driving standpoint I think it makes things less enjoyable overall. The TR3650 + Steeda Tri-Ax short shifter on my Mustang was awesome... super quick, perfectly crisp shifts... the 370Z... not so much.

And I am very disappointed that I had to trash the factory knob because it was very comfortable... Think I may have to source another one, but I hear they aren't cheap!

I've had the shifter on the car for almost 10,000 miles now, so during that time period my opinion of it has changed. Funny how I'm finding the things that got my jollies off when I was 17-21 with my Mustang GT just don't do the same for me now that I've grown up a bit.

imag · 11-15-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I very much agree!

I have been thinking about modifying it to raise the knob back to factory height like you, but I may also return to stock.

This transmission just isn't suited for quick shifts, so other than taking away some of the factory "slop," I don't see where a short-shifter is beneficial. Like you said, from an ergonomics and casual driving standpoint I think it makes things less enjoyable overall. The TR3650 + Steeda Tri-Ax short shifter on my Mustang was awesome... super quick, perfectly crisp shifts... the 370Z... not so much.

And I am very disappointed that I had to trash the factory knob because it was very comfortable... Think I may have to source another one, but I hear they aren't cheap!

I've had the shifter on the car for almost 10,000 miles now, so during that time period my opinion of it has changed. Funny how I'm finding the things that got my jollies off when I was 17-21 with my Mustang GT just don't do the same for me now that I've grown up a bit.

Indeed. After doing the kit, I was talking with my brother about how high shift effort is not always desirable, even though I've always hated BMW and Porsche transmissions for being too easy. He was saying that he loves his S2K shifter (who doesn't), but that he does notice that the extra effort can cause him to change his steering angle sometimes. His NSX, which has a longer throw and lower effort, doesn't cause him to brace against the wheel for shift, so he doesn't see a mid-turn bump from the shift.

When I had the B&M kit with the low height, it was definitely too much effort to pull the thing out of gear, stop, and pull it into the new gear. I don't speedshift; I like matching revs on the up and downshift, and making it a muscular effort to shift means that you just don't have as much finesse.

Modshack: I have a 16oz knob, spherical, with the flanged base. The spherical knob is actually too short; I liked the stock, where I could grab it vertically. I've thought about putting a new boot/grommet in, but I still haven't decided what I'm going to do with this thing in the end...

schrute · 11-15-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And I am very disappointed that I had to trash the factory knob because it was very comfortable... Think I may have to source another one, but I hear they aren't cheap!

Mustang, I have a stock shift knob in perfect condition (mine came off easy when I installed a Nismo knob). $50 + shipping if you're interested.

imag · 11-16-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by schrute

Mustang, I have a stock shift knob in perfect condition (mine came off easy when I installed a Nismo knob). $50 + shipping if you're interested.

Schrute,

I PM'd you. I'm hoping I can jump on that offer.

Does anyone know the stock thread size and count on the shifter? I would need to get a couple of hardware bits to elevate the post...

Modshack · 11-16-2009, 03:49 PM

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Does anyone know the stock thread size and count on the shifter? I would need to get a couple of hardware bits to elevate the post...

M10 x 1.25

schrute · 11-16-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

Schrute,

I PM'd you. I'm hoping I can jump on that offer.

Imag, PM'd you back.

Sorry for the thread jack OP...

imag · 11-16-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by schrute

Imag, PM'd you back.

Sorry for the thread jack OP...

Thanks much! You now have $55 (I added handling ;-) ) to spend on the car (or shoes

).

And yeah, sorry about the thread jack... as you all were...

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