Suspension 2.5" lower... or more?

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 08:00 AM

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gracias

DjSquall · 07-18-2014, 07:34 AM

I had my car absolutely slammed on KWV3's. I wouldn't recommend it for city driving. You'll scrape EVERYWHERE.

janglez · 07-18-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall

I had my car absolutely slammed on KWV3's. I wouldn't recommend it for city driving. You'll scrape EVERYWHERE.

i totally agree...mine's stock and i find myself passing-up a lot of parking lots and driveway entrances due to scraping the front end...even some speed bumps cause problems...good luck to you if you lower it...better keep it on a very well-groomed track

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 08:24 AM

im reading the whole thread on the swift springs (on page 4 out of 133 lol)... can you explain why are spacers needed? when you put the springs on are they going to make the wheels fall in so you need spacers to push them back out? and i also see that rear camber is needed.

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by njobe89

im reading the whole thread on the swift springs (on page 4 out of 133 lol)... can you explain why are spacers needed? when you put the springs on are they going to make the wheels fall in so you need spacers to push them back out? and i also see that rear camber is needed.

Spacers are a personal choice. Most people use them to improve the look of the wheel fitment and they also change the handling a bit due to their wider stance.

The rear camber arms are needed because you will find it difficult to impossible to get the camber in spec on shorter springs using the OEM camber arms.

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Spacers are a personal choice. Most people use them to improve the look of the wheel fitment and they also change the handling a bit due to their wider stance.

The rear camber arms are needed because you will find it difficult to impossible to get the camber in spec on shorter springs using the OEM camber arms.

i wasn't aware spacers were expensive. seem to go for $220 per spacer. i think i'd leave it without them lol

aszyd · 07-18-2014, 09:59 AM

You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit.

IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either.

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aszyd

You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit.

IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either.

how much do they go for?

i was looking at this vendor and the spacers were pricey
Buy Swift Spec-R Springs Nissan 370Z | KamiSpeed.com

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aszyd

You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit.

IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either.

Not to be difficult, but I personally know more than 2 dozen Z's with Swifts and not one could get in sec without aftermarket camber arms. Yes, you can get close, sort of, on the camber angle, but not the camber and toe simultaneously with stock parts.

And -- $55.00 for a pair of spacers and you are buying junk. Expect AT LEAST 120.00 or so for a pair. Do not skimp on suspension parts. Duh. They are holding your car up.

onzedge™ has written

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Not to be difficult, but I personally know more than 2 dozen Z's with Swifts and not one could get in sec without aftermarket camber arms. Yes, you can get close, sort of, on the camber angle, but not the camber and toe simultaneously with stock parts.

And -- $55.00 for a pair of spacers and you are buying junk. Expect AT LEAST 120.00 or so for a pair. Do not skimp on suspension parts. Duh. They are holding your car up.

onzedge™ has written

z1 has them going for $88.

by the time you add up springs+spacers+camber arms it almost equals out to coilovers. so now i'm at cross roads lol is it better to save up another few hundred bucks and get coilovers? i still only want to drop my car an about an inch like stated earlier just to clear the fender gap.

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 02:12 PM

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z1 has them going for $88.

by the time you add up springs+spacers+camber arms it almost equals out to coilovers. so now i'm at cross roads lol is it better to save up another few hundred bucks and get coilovers? i still only want to drop my car an about an inch like stated earlier just to clear the fender gap.

Coil-overs do not eliminate the need for camber arms and spacers are completely optional so your cost calculations are a bit off.

Swift Spec-R -- $350.00 (or so)
Koni Yellow -- $900.00 (or so)

Decent Coli-overs, and I mean decent -- ????

Bilstein are the only coil-overs I would consider and they are $2,100 plus

DEpointfive0 · 07-19-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Coil-overs do not eliminate the need for camber arms and spacers are completely optional so your cost calculations are a bit off.

Swift Spec-R -- $350.00 (or so)
Koni Yellow -- $900.00 (or so)

Decent Coli-overs, and I mean decent -- ????

Bilstein are the only coil-overs I would consider and they are $2,100 plus

If the OP needs any of this, he should contact Andrew@NuGen Auto

Rusty · 07-19-2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Coil-overs do not eliminate the need for camber arms and spacers are completely optional so your cost calculations are a bit off.

Swift Spec-R -- $350.00 (or so)
Koni Yellow -- $900.00 (or so)

Decent Coli-overs, and I mean decent -- ????

Bilstein are the only coil-overs I would consider and they are $2,100 plus

Bilsteins are not coilover in the rear.

Bilstein B16 PSS10 Coilovers for the Infinity G37 and Nissan 370z

aszyd · 07-18-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Not to be difficult, but I personally know more than 2 dozen Z's with Swifts and not one could get in sec without aftermarket camber arms. Yes, you can get close, sort of, on the camber angle, but not the camber and toe simultaneously with stock parts.

And -- $55.00 for a pair of spacers and you are buying junk. Expect AT LEAST 120.00 or so for a pair. Do not skimp on suspension parts. Duh. They are holding your car up.

onzedge™ has written

I won't argue with you on the camber, you're right, if you want to be 100% in spec, camber arms are necessary.

The spacers though, what's junk about them? My el-cheapo spacers were hub centric, the correct width, had grade 10.9 studs, and fit perfectly. They just didn't have someones name stamped on them to jack the price up.

b15 · 07-18-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aszyd

I won't argue with you on the camber, you're right, if you want to be 100% in spec, camber arms are necessary.

The spacers though, what's junk about them? My el-cheapo spacers were hub centric, the correct width, had grade 10.9 studs, and fit perfectly. They just didn't have someones name stamped on them to jack the price up.

The probability of issues increases with the the cheaper spacers. They may not be all machined the same, fitment might not be the same for all 4, they may crack, etc. Ichiba is the first that comes to mind. It's the same difference between a $15 Auto Zone rotor and a $65 Brembo Blank. They do the same thing, but you're less likely to have issues with one of them.

Z1 has their spacers on sale starting at $88 for 20mm bolt ons. $33/pair additional surely won't break the bank.

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njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174286	im reading the whole thread on the swift springs (on page 4 out of 133 lol)... can you explain why are spacers needed? when you put the springs on are they going to make the wheels fall in so you need spacers to push them back out? and i also see that rear camber is needed. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

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aszyd Track Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 877 Drives: Magma Red 370z T+S Rep Power: 23	You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit. IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either. __________________ Competition Clutch\|Fast Intentions\|Maxbore\|NST\|Setrab\|Stillen\|Tomei\|Uprev\| Z1 Avant Garde\|SPC\|Stance\|Whiteline Aerojacket\|Seibon\|Tanabe\|TRS\|TWM

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