Suspension 2.5" lower... or more?

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 08:00 AM

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gracias

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 08:24 AM

im reading the whole thread on the swift springs (on page 4 out of 133 lol)... can you explain why are spacers needed? when you put the springs on are they going to make the wheels fall in so you need spacers to push them back out? and i also see that rear camber is needed.

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by njobe89

im reading the whole thread on the swift springs (on page 4 out of 133 lol)... can you explain why are spacers needed? when you put the springs on are they going to make the wheels fall in so you need spacers to push them back out? and i also see that rear camber is needed.

Spacers are a personal choice. Most people use them to improve the look of the wheel fitment and they also change the handling a bit due to their wider stance.

The rear camber arms are needed because you will find it difficult to impossible to get the camber in spec on shorter springs using the OEM camber arms.

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Spacers are a personal choice. Most people use them to improve the look of the wheel fitment and they also change the handling a bit due to their wider stance.

The rear camber arms are needed because you will find it difficult to impossible to get the camber in spec on shorter springs using the OEM camber arms.

i wasn't aware spacers were expensive. seem to go for $220 per spacer. i think i'd leave it without them lol

aszyd · 07-18-2014, 09:59 AM

You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit.

IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either.

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aszyd

You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit.

IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either.

how much do they go for?

i was looking at this vendor and the spacers were pricey
Buy Swift Spec-R Springs Nissan 370Z | KamiSpeed.com

b15 · 07-18-2014, 10:08 AM

If you get spacers don't get cheap ones. Most people on this forum run Z1 or H&R. Both are good quality machined billet aluminum and hub centric.

Camber arms aren't that expensive either. I got my SPC kit for $180 shipped off amazon. If you plan on tracking, get the SPL ones and be done with it. Their construction is more heavy duty (as is the price)

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

If you get spacers don't get cheap ones. Most people on this forum run Z1 or H&R. Both are good quality machined billet aluminum and hub centric.

Camber arms aren't that expensive either. I got my SPC kit for $180 shipped off amazon. If you plan on tracking, get the SPL ones and be done with it. Their construction is more heavy duty (as is the price)

i dont plan on tracking it... i just wanted to clear a little bit of the fender gap and the swifts seemed perfect for what i was looking for. as i continue reading the swift thread, it seems some people did need the camber arms and some people didn't. i guess i could always go without and then if needed buy them and put them on?

and sorry for jacking the thread op... sort of

b15 · 07-18-2014, 10:27 AM

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i dont plan on tracking it... i just wanted to clear a little bit of the fender gap and the swifts seemed perfect for what i was looking for. as i continue reading the swift thread, it seems some people did need the camber arms and some people didn't. i guess i could always go without and then if needed buy them and put them on?

and sorry for jacking the thread op... sort of

Just get them and do it all at once. I gambled and went without because of that as well, but the majority of Zs seem to need it. My first alignment without the arms showed the rear camber was still pretty aggressive at -2.5 with the stock camber bolts maxed out. Installed the arms and realigned a few months later and I'm back at -1.9.

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 10:31 AM

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Just get them and do it all at once. I gambled and went without because of that as well, but the majority of Zs seem to need it. My first alignment without the arms showed the rear camber was still pretty aggressive at -2.5 with the stock camber bolts maxed out. Installed the arms and realigned a few months later and I'm back at -1.9.

that's what i was thinking as well... thanks for the input

b15 · 07-18-2014, 10:37 AM

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that's what i was thinking as well... thanks for the input

My philosophy is that I might as well do it since I have all the tools out

Make sure to get a few dremel bits and eye protection when enlarging the toe bolt holes

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aszyd

You can get spacers for $55 a pair. Like I said in another thread, it's just some milled aluminum with wheel studs. It's the camber arms that are expensive, but they pop up in our classifieds section quite a bit.

IMO, you could probably get away with not using a camber kit if you are dropping with Swifts. Your alignment won't be perfect, but it won't be that far off either.

Not to be difficult, but I personally know more than 2 dozen Z's with Swifts and not one could get in sec without aftermarket camber arms. Yes, you can get close, sort of, on the camber angle, but not the camber and toe simultaneously with stock parts.

And -- $55.00 for a pair of spacers and you are buying junk. Expect AT LEAST 120.00 or so for a pair. Do not skimp on suspension parts. Duh. They are holding your car up.

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onzedge · 07-18-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by b15

If you get spacers don't get cheap ones. Most people on this forum run Z1 or H&R. Both are good quality machined billet aluminum and hub centric.

Camber arms aren't that expensive either. I got my SPC kit for $180 shipped off amazon. If you plan on tracking, get the SPL ones and be done with it. Their construction is more heavy duty (as is the price)

njobe89 · 07-18-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Not to be difficult, but I personally know more than 2 dozen Z's with Swifts and not one could get in sec without aftermarket camber arms. Yes, you can get close, sort of, on the camber angle, but not the camber and toe simultaneously with stock parts.

And -- $55.00 for a pair of spacers and you are buying junk. Expect AT LEAST 120.00 or so for a pair. Do not skimp on suspension parts. Duh. They are holding your car up.

onzedge™ has written

z1 has them going for $88.

by the time you add up springs+spacers+camber arms it almost equals out to coilovers. so now i'm at cross roads lol is it better to save up another few hundred bucks and get coilovers? i still only want to drop my car an about an inch like stated earlier just to clear the fender gap.

onzedge · 07-18-2014, 02:12 PM

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z1 has them going for $88.

by the time you add up springs+spacers+camber arms it almost equals out to coilovers. so now i'm at cross roads lol is it better to save up another few hundred bucks and get coilovers? i still only want to drop my car an about an inch like stated earlier just to clear the fender gap.

Coil-overs do not eliminate the need for camber arms and spacers are completely optional so your cost calculations are a bit off.

Swift Spec-R -- $350.00 (or so)
Koni Yellow -- $900.00 (or so)

Decent Coli-overs, and I mean decent -- ????

Bilstein are the only coil-overs I would consider and they are $2,100 plus

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b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36571	If you get spacers don't get cheap ones. Most people on this forum run Z1 or H&R. Both are good quality machined billet aluminum and hub centric. Camber arms aren't that expensive either. I got my SPC kit for $180 shipped off amazon. If you plan on tracking, get the SPL ones and be done with it. Their construction is more heavy duty (as is the price) onzedge likes this.

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