Swift springs review!!!!!

speedfreek

I did not install the toe bolts when I did my install. When I had my alignment done they got the toe back within factory spec. .18 left and .15 right. Your results may vary.

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ZMan8

If you get coilovers and drop the car more than an inch you will still need toe bolts and camber arms...

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O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too....

WHAT???? If its in now, it WILL move when you re-adjust camber!! The two settings are opposite adjacent, meaning if you move one, the other will move too! If you adjust camber to something close to factory from the -2.8 he's at now, the toe WILL move to a negative amount correspondingly! WOW......

Exactly, these are all inter-related components....

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bmarcinczyk14

[QUOTE=wheee!;2246557]O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too....

If you look at my alignment sheet in my previous post, would you say my toe is too far away from zero? Also look at my camber between the front left and right, they are a bit off from each other, is this something to be concerned about?

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[QUOTE=bmarcinczyk14;2246566]Your total toe is too much for my tastes. Your thrust angle is good, but you will be scrubbing the back tires off with that much toe. Again, some will say this is minor, but I prefer not to waste money on tires if I can help it!! Keep in mind that I have 305's on the back too and I moved my rear camber to -1.2, to get better contact with the road. That meant I needed to move the toe more to get it into line as well....

The front camber is a little off but you would need front camber arms to adjust that. I would wait till there are more choices on the market than just the SPC front camber arms....

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ZMan8

[QUOTE=bmarcinczyk14;2246566][QUOTE=wheee!;2246592]Cusco makes not adjustable front camber arms that they say are perfect for those who only dropped an inch (like swifts).

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bmarcinczyk14

[QUOTE=wheee!;2246592]Then why is the manufacture spec only recommend the lowest of 4 degrees? In this case it looks like he made my toe even worse than it was before, since he increased both the front and rear further from 0 than it was.

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speedfreek

I agree 0 degrees toe is optimal. I have not noticed any excessive tire scrubbing with my new rears. One reason I didn't install the toe bolts is I was running short on time with other problems encountered during my install. Doing this with a DD isn't the best as after the weekend is up it needs to be road worthy. If I notice any excessive wear on my current set I will remedy the problem. Or if I just feel like installing the toe bolts as it starts warming up again in the garage I may do just that.

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WTF is up with the quotes? lol messed up...

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bmarcinczyk14

Haha my bad, I think it all started when I messed up quoting you in previous messages and it came through all retarded.

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bmarcinczyk14

[QUOTE=ZMan8;2246987]From my understanding, doesn't toe affect tire life even more so than camber? So wouldn't it make more sense for them to work more on getting toe into spec than camber?

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ZMan8

Yes toe will eat your tires worse than camber as a GEneral rule

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bmarcinczyk14

Then shouldnt the alignment guy focus on getting toe closer to zero rather than maxing out my rear camber adjustment trying to get it as close to spec as possible?

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ZMan8

I think your toe was in spec though so I wouldn't worry that it's not exactly 0.

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I would not sacrifice toe for camber. Other way around, yes. I left my camber at -2.8 until I could adjust toe and camber together.... Now I'm -1.2 and 0 degrees toe.

Seriously, the cost of the toe bolts and camber arms is very reasonable and is a definite improvement over stock adjustability. Don't sweat the small details.... this is a small detail.

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