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Fortune auto will valve their stuff for whatever spring rate you want but i have never seen anyone make this big a deal about the 370Z's "dive" i'm pretty sure

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Old 05-01-2019, 11:03 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Fortune auto will valve their stuff for whatever spring rate you want

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i have never seen anyone make this big a deal about the 370Z's "dive"

i'm pretty sure its all in your head

it really seems like you're chasing a feeling, rather than improving your car. plus, the artificial limit that it has to be "comfortable" along the way, which is amusing as hell to me.

You buy a sports car and you complain about the performance "feeling" but you want it to be comfortable so you refuse to make optimal performance upgrades. I'll never understand these people

Buy a freakin' beater civic to bum around town in and pick up groceries or return library books. Drive the Z when you wanna go fast. Otherwise, expect compromises. You want something thats fast and comfortable? save up for a BMW?

of course

it's your car and your money. do whatever you want, so i dont know anything and i'm just being mean again i guess
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If you like the stock height and want stiffer springs why not just look into picking up a used set of 09-12 Nismo springs? I know they eventually softened them up somewhere between the 13-15 models but don't remember exactly which model year it was.
2015+ they softened the springs for better ride quality

Everything i've read the '09-14 Nismo was a damn shopping cart, terrible ride quality
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Fortune auto will valve their stuff for whatever spring rate you want

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i have never seen anyone make this big a deal about the 370Z's "dive"

i'm pretty sure its all in your head

it really seems like you're chasing a feeling, rather than improving your car. plus, the artificial limit that it has to be "comfortable" along the way, which is amusing as hell to me.

You buy a sports car and you complain about the performance "feeling" but you want it to be comfortable so you refuse to make optimal performance upgrades. I'll never understand these people

But a freakin' beater civic to bum around town in and pick up groceries or return library books. Drive the Z when you wanna go fast. Otherwise, expect compromises. You want something thats fast and comfortable? save up for a BMW?

of course

it's your car and your money. do whatever you want, so i dont know anything and i'm just being mean again i guess
It's ok man. You have some good advice, I'm sorry I bothered you.
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I'm quite happy with my Powertrix Ultra-Lite coilovers w/Swift 13/11 springs. Great for a daily and I'm confident they'll perform when I finally make it out to the track. Previously had a set of HKS Hipermax Max IV GT but the spring rates were too soft for my liking. I would have considered the Max IV SP but they were not available at the time.
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2015+ they softened the springs for better ride quality

Everything i've read the '09-14 Nismo was a damn shopping cart, terrible ride quality
The problem with the 09-14 Nismo suspension is the shocks have too much compression and not enough rebound in the damping. Making the springs fell even stiffer.
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I actually ordered the HKS Hipermax IV SP Coilovers over the Fortune Auto 500 yesterday. Also ordered SPL Eccentric Lockout Bolts. The spring rates are really high at 14k front 16k rear but the few owners that have them all commented on how the ride quality is so good yet performance is phenomenal in aggressive driving situations because of the high spring rate.

That and the fact they are Japanese is the reason why I went over my budget and out of my way to get them. I would assume the Japanese know how to design things for Japanese cars vs American or German companies. Install posts coming soon when they arrive. This is my last handling upgrade. I'm not sharing my power mods.
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those spring rates seem odd. stiffer in the rear that front?
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those spring rates seem odd. stiffer in the rear that front?
That's what I said. A sales person from HKS who I spoke to said the reason for that is because the Japanese racing drivers tend to favor oversteer than understeer, that's why they tuned it to make sure the car will never understeer when coming out of a corner. For city driving, I will probably stiffen the front sway bars for safety reasons. I've never wrapped a car around a pole and don't plan on doing that anytime soon. For Willow Springs and Laguna, I'll switch to run to less stiff sway bar up front unless anyone has any suspension tuning ideas.
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I don’t think you can compare the front and rear rates directly since the rear springs are inboard while the fronts are true coil spring over damper (or aka “true type” coilover).
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A friend had those HKS SP, he didn't like them on street. He said they were very bouncy on the rear in street, even stiffer than his viper acr-e, but he was on very short tires (265/35/18-295/30/18) and sat it very low (which should affect the ride quality).

At the track they were nice.

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A friend had those HKS SP, he didn't like them on street. He said they were very bouncy on the rear in street, even stiffer than his viper acr-e, but he was on very short tires (265/35/18-295/30/18) and sat it very low (which should affect the ride quality).

At the track they were nice.

And you need to get SPL FUCA if you don't have them.
Did he stick with the settings they suggested at first? HKS assured me that as long as I stay with the pre determined range of adjustments I'll be fine. When you go even lower than the height they recommended, your on your own. I did see they designed it for "high grip radial tire" as well so I'm sticking with the tires I have now since they are the stock specs. What exactly is the advantage of the FUCA? I'm not going any lower than .5 of a inch which is what HKS automatically sets the coilover height at right out of the box
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He lowered it, he closed the gap between the fenders and tires, because he went with short tires, 25" vs 26.6" , it was very low. I attached the only photos I got for it.



Front upper control arms will give you the ability to change the camber in front, with .5 inch lower, I think it will not be a big change, but you will need it if you want to retain stock alignment or if you needed more negative camber in front for track use, the stock arms are not adjustable.

And I just remembered, you may not need eccentric lockouts at rear if you don't buy rear camber/midlink. It will lock alignment adjustability, at least stock bolts has some adjustability, you can dial it back if you got too much negative camber, but you may face an issue with toe which spc toe bolts could solve it (you will need to make some cutting in subframe)

Everything depends on your alignment after you install the coilovers.
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He lowered it, he closed the gap between the fenders and tires, because he went with short tires, 25" vs 26.6" , it was very low. I attached the only photos I got for it.



Front upper control arms will give you the ability to change the camber in front, with .5 inch lower, I think it will not be a big change, but you will need it if you want to retain stock alignment or if you needed more negative camber in front for track use, the stock arms are not adjustable.

And I just remembered, you may not need eccentric lockouts at rear if you don't buy rear camber/midlink. It will lock alignment adjustability, at least stock bolts has some adjustability, you can dial it back if you got too much negative camber, but you may face an issue with toe which spc toe bolts could solve it (you will need to make some cutting in subframe)

Everything depends on your alignment after you install the coilovers.
I've read about with coilovers on 370Z's if you do some hard cornering the alignment will move in the rear which is why I got the lockout kit but I didn't care about having to adjust the rear, I just want it to stay in spec alignment. The front upper control arm I didn't know about. I'm going to look into getting them.
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the rears have a small amount of adjustability

the fronts have none

thats why i tell EVERYONE to get the SPL FUCAs
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I've read about with coilovers on 370Z's if you do some hard cornering the alignment will move in the rear which is why I got the lockout kit but I didn't care about having to adjust the rear, I just want it to stay in spec alignment. The front upper control arm I didn't know about. I'm going to look into getting them.
It is nice to lock the alignment, but you won't have any adjustability, which means if the alignment got messed, your car handling will not be pleasant.

Naturally, when you lower your car, you will have more negative camber, the 370z rear will get more toe in as well (maybe all cars), if you ended up with too much rear toe in, you will get a slippery rear end with yaw sensor delete, if you didn't do yaw sensor delete, the traction control will hold you back. Also shorter tire life.


The real benefit of eccentric lockout kit is to have your alignment set where you want without slipping IF you have adjustable arms. Not recommended if you don't have arms.


So, to sum up, it is either using oem bolts to adjust (camber - toe), or using eccentric lock with SPL rear camber arms and midlink, if you don't want to spend money on midlink, you can use oem bolt, or spc toe bolt if the stock ones didn't dial the toe back to recommended setting.
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