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Osiris 11-07-2010 08:18 AM

so is this from NavTool now and not Nissan? Put me on list for 2010.

bdl99 11-07-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799588)
so is this from NavTool now and not Nissan? Put me on list for 2010.

Two solutions:

1) For 2009, cars the NavTool solution that Jeff is handling and believe PMs have already been sent

2) For 2010, my solution which is OEM in functionality and location but using the Kenwood Camera and a harness that I've produced.

We are going to be offering two variations:
a) Full kit including the Kenwood CMOS-200 camera
b) The kit without the camera if you already have a camera or want to source your own.

As Jeff mentioned we are just sorting a few things out with AK so I wont post prices yet, but needless to say I think everyone will be very pleased.

What would be useful is a count of interest in option a vs b. I know some may want to know the prices before answering that question so what I can say is that sourcing the camera seperately would save you $20-30. The main reason for going option a would be if you already have a camera or want to use a different or cheaper camera.

Hope to be posting full details very soon. The solution is already well proven within the GT-R community across the globe and as we have proven with Jeff's car the 370z is exactly the same.

Jeffblue 11-07-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mize (Post 799561)
So when is the group buy going down?

within the next week or so

xck2034 11-07-2010 12:43 PM

Hi Bdl99,

do you also offer your additional kit to complement the backup camera kit with these nice features (DVD and Navi Bypass) for the 370 MY2010?

Osiris 11-07-2010 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 799598)
Two solutions:

1) For 2009, cars the NavTool solution that Jeff is handling and believe PMs have already been sent

2) For 2010, my solution which is OEM in functionality and location but using the Kenwood Camera and a harness that I've produced.

We are going to be offering two variations:
a) Full kit including the Kenwood CMOS-200 camera
b) The kit without the camera if you already have a camera or want to source your own.

As Jeff mentioned we are just sorting a few things out with AK so I wont post prices yet, but needless to say I think everyone will be very pleased.

What would be useful is a count of interest in option a vs b. I know some may want to know the prices before answering that question so what I can say is that sourcing the camera seperately would save you $20-30. The main reason for going option a would be if you already have a camera or want to use a different or cheaper camera.

Hope to be posting full details very soon. The solution is already well proven within the GT-R community across the globe and as we have proven with Jeff's car the 370z is exactly the same.

I have couple questions then:

1) sorry if this was answered already, but, will the Kenwood camera utilize the square spot that is already present on the bumper?

2) with this kit installed, will it automatically display the camera's view on the nav screen when i put the car into reverse?

3) any other added functionality that comes with this kit? eg: play dvd while driving

Jeffblue 11-07-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799861)
I have couple questions then:

1) sorry if this was answered already, but, will the Kenwood camera utilize the square spot that is already present on the bumper?

2) with this kit installed, will it automatically display the camera's view on the nav screen when i put the car into reverse?

3) any other added functionality that comes with this kit? eg: play dvd while driving

1. the kenwood is installed above the lisence plate, where the OEM camera is located on most nissan/infiniti cars and trucks. the square location doesn't give you a good viewing angle. i literally CANT see the camera on my car unless i look really close. i'll go take a pic in a little bit.

2. yes it automatically displays the camera when put in reverse

3. that functionality is not included with this kit. this is justa harness and camera that allows the navigation to take a camera signal.

bdl99 11-07-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799861)
I have couple questions then:
1) sorry if this was answered already, but, will the Kenwood camera utilize the square spot that is already present on the bumper?

On Jeff's car we mounted in the standard Nissan/Infiniti position which is between the license plate light and trunk release button and is virtually out of sight. This location gives a much better viewing angle compared to the plate you mention. Also this requires no drilling of holes etc.

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799861)
2) with this kit installed, will it automatically display the camera's view on the nav screen when i put the car into reverse?

Yes and you get the gridlines that move with the steering wheel.

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799861)
3) any other added functionality that comes with this kit? eg: play dvd while driving

The kit does include the future of a plug and play option for bypasses which I will offer for 370z if there is interest.

bdl99 11-07-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xck2034 (Post 799837)
Hi Bdl99,

do you also offer your additional kit to complement the backup camera kit with these nice features (DVD and Navi Bypass) for the 370 MY2010?

This is something I could offer if there is interest. The three bypass options are exactly the same as the GT-R and it would work as is. If the fourth function was required (ability for 2nd Aux video input for front camera) then some modifications would need to be made to the kit before I would be able to offer it.

Osiris 11-07-2010 01:13 PM

thanks for the answers. Have one more; the kits that were on the market prior to this weren't very user friendly 'cause they required modifying the harness. Does the harness on this kit just plug into place without cutting and splicing?

Jeffblue 11-07-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799876)
thanks for the answers. Have one more; the kits that were on the market prior to this weren't very user friendly 'cause they required modifying the harness. Does the harness on this kit just plug into place without cutting and splicing?

yes, it is literally plug and play, completely. you unplug the plastic end from the back of the nav screen, plug in bdl99's harness, and then plug the piece that was in the back of the screen into bdl99's harness.

here is the harness plugged into the screen as we were installed. the white connector plugged into the screen was made by bdl99, and then in the background you can see the other end of bdl99's harness with the original connector plugged into that.
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1289158292

Osiris 11-07-2010 01:38 PM

Awesome. In for price and DIY instructions :tup:

bdl99 11-07-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 799876)
thanks for the answers. Have one more; the kits that were on the market prior to this weren't very user friendly 'cause they required modifying the harness. Does the harness on this kit just plug into place without cutting and splicing?

I see Jeff posted a picture of the backup camera harness. The same would also be true for the bypass kit which is exactly the same plug and play approach it is just on one of the connectors on the back of the AV unit rather than the screen.

Osiris 11-07-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 799908)
I see Jeff posted a picture of the backup camera harness. The same would also be true for the bypass kit which is exactly the same plug and play approach it is just on one of the connectors on the back of the AV unit rather than the screen.

i assume that the bypass kit and camera kit can all be connected together? And i also assume the bypass kit is additional $$ ?

djpathfinder 11-07-2010 01:48 PM

Bdl99, having the ability to program nav and play DVD in motion capabilities would be nice to have. I would definitely be interested, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Is that a possible option A2 for the group buy?

Lloydy 11-07-2010 02:00 PM

count me in - 2009 Z

dixon cider 11-07-2010 02:04 PM

Definitely count me in for option "A2" also!!! That bypass ability is something I miss on my old Kenwood unit I had in the old car. It's nice for the passenger to able to program the gps so we don't have to pull over.

r9u8t0 11-07-2010 04:02 PM

I'm in for option (a).

r9u8t0 11-07-2010 04:10 PM

Make that 2a

Jeffblue 11-07-2010 04:23 PM

c'mon you 2009 guys, i've only gotten about 5 replies to my PM, we can't move forward until at least 15 of you respond to the PM

axeman71 11-07-2010 10:10 PM

In for 2b.

BTW, I already have a camera installed and run through the aux video input in my Roadster. There are 2 DIYs, one for the camera installation (in the DIY section I think) and one for how to run the wire from the bumper to the cabin in the Roadster (in the Roadster section).

N8GTOL 11-07-2010 10:27 PM

In for 2010, option 2a...cant wait to see details on the final price and product. I assume this will include some preliminary pre-calibrated settings for all the guidelines? Also interested in the bypass harness.

wheee! 11-08-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by djpathfinder (Post 799912)
Bdl99, having the ability to program nav and play DVD in motion capabilities would be nice to have. I would definitely be interested, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Is that a possible option A2 for the group buy?

A2 for me too!

Mize 11-08-2010 08:58 AM

2a me.

Mize 11-08-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by axeman71 (Post 800376)
In for 2b.

BTW, I already have a camera installed and run through the aux video input in my Roadster. There are 2 DIYs, one for the camera installation (in the DIY section I think) and one for how to run the wire from the bumper to the cabin in the Roadster (in the Roadster section).

I want that Roadster routing please! I'll go look for it...

djpathfinder 11-08-2010 10:42 AM

bdl99, JeffBlue, there seems to be a very good response for the nav and DVD in motion bypass... can you confirm if this option is available for the group buy? It would make installation much easier for most of us as one install takes care of everything. Thanks.

bdl99 11-08-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by djpathfinder (Post 800786)
bdl99, JeffBlue, there seems to be a very good response for the nav and DVD in motion bypass... can you confirm if this option is available for the group buy? It would make installation much easier for most of us as one install takes care of everything. Thanks.

The camera kit will be ready before the bypass kit for a number of reasons, one being the availability of connectors. I have a small number of the 32pin connectors required for the bypass kit and there are long lead times (I have ordered more but will take at least 2-3 weeks to come from Japan). I already have all the 24pin connectors for camera kits.

Adding the bypass kit later will be very easy and they do plug in to different places so not then end of the world to do separately. I agree there is interest in the bypass kits but also some are very keen to get their hands on the camera kits.

I also want to get some input on what you guys want. On the GT-R I used a remote because I didn't really have anywhere to put the 3 or 4 switches (or didn't want to). I would really like to work with a few of you on the best solution. I see a few potential offerings
1) For those happy to cut and splice wires then I can just write-up a free DIY guide
2) A plug and play harness so no cutting of original wires is required and you use you own switches
3) A plug and play harness with switches
4) A plug and play solution using the remote

Jeffblue 11-08-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djpathfinder (Post 800786)
bdl99, JeffBlue, there seems to be a very good response for the nav and DVD in motion bypass... can you confirm if this option is available for the group buy? It would make installation much easier for most of us as one install takes care of everything. Thanks.

thats more bdl99's territory than mine.

As far as installing them at the same time, it would save a few minutes, but really the hard part of the camera install is running the wires throughout the car, actually pulling the dash out is just a matter of un screwing a few thing and pulling them out, that part takes only a few minutes. so basically, if you installed the camera kit already, and wanted to add the bypass kit after, it would be very easy and not time consuming.

tsolin01 11-08-2010 11:19 AM

Count me in for 2010 Option A, assuming camera pricing is reasonable.

Osiris 11-08-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 800820)
The camera kit will be ready before the bypass kit for a number of reasons, one being the availability of connectors. I have a small number of the 32pin connectors required for the bypass kit and there are long lead times (I have ordered more but will take at least 2-3 weeks to come from Japan). I already have all the 24pin connectors for camera kits.

Adding the bypass kit later will be very easy and they do plug in to different places so not then end of the world to do separately. I agree there is interest in the bypass kits but also some are very keen to get their hands on the camera kits.

I also want to get some input on what you guys want. On the GT-R I used a remote because I didn't really have anywhere to put the 3 or 4 switches (or didn't want to). I would really like to work with a few of you on the best solution. I see a few potential offerings
1) For those happy to cut and splice wires then I can just write-up a free DIY guide
2) A plug and play harness so no cutting of original wires is required and you use you own switches
3) A plug and play harness with switches
4) A plug and play solution using the remote

BDL99, it would be easier to answer this if you can explain what the "switches" are needed for. My understanding is that the camera view will display automatically when the vehicle is put into reverse. What do we need switches for?

Juruki 11-08-2010 01:33 PM

cant wait for this! thx for the pm jeffblue!

Lude_conduct 11-08-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 801028)
BDL99, it would be easier to answer this if you can explain what the "switches" are needed for. My understanding is that the camera view will display automatically when the vehicle is put into reverse. What do we need switches for?

:iagree:
and interested in the bypass as well

DeLRo 11-08-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 801028)
BDL99, it would be easier to answer this if you can explain what the "switches" are needed for. My understanding is that the camera view will display automatically when the vehicle is put into reverse. What do we need switches for?

* Four Button Remote
1 = DVD Bypass (toggle on/off) - Allows viewing of Aux video/front camera with handbrake off
2 = Nav Bypass (toggle on/off) - Permits use of functions that are normally disabled while car is moving
3 = Backup Camera Bypass - See camera without engaging reverse
4 = Switch between Aux Video In and Front Camera

The main Kit (all plug and play). This is a preproduction kit but final kit will be very similar.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_MTz7DsmoaNs/TK...2-IMG_2083.JPG

bdl99 11-08-2010 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 801028)
BDL99, it would be easier to answer this if you can explain what the "switches" are needed for. My understanding is that the camera view will display automatically when the vehicle is put into reverse. What do we need switches for?

This is why I wanted to keep it separate. For the backup camera no switches are required everything works automatically when the car in placed in reverse and everything required is in the kit.

The question was whether we would offer to include another supplemental kit (the bypass kit) which I made for the GT-R which enabled things like:
Passenger being able to watch auxiliary video feed while car is in motion.
Ability for passenger to enter address or tel number while car is in motion.
Ability to see backup camera without selecting reverse.

It is really something completely separate but you can image that people might want to install both at the same time (especially if they were getting someone else to do the install) and that is where the questions came from.

Osiris 11-08-2010 01:43 PM

do you have pics of the switches/buttons?

bdl99 11-08-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 801102)
do you have pics of the switches/buttons?

For the GT-R I used a keyfob remote shown in the picture above. For the 370z we could do the same or use physical switches and that is where I wanted some input.

Osiris 11-08-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeLRo (Post 801087)
* Four Button Remote
1 = DVD Bypass (toggle on/off) - Allows viewing of Aux video/front camera with handbrake off
2 = Nav Bypass (toggle on/off) - Permits use of functions that are normally disabled while car is moving
3 = Backup Camera Bypass - See camera without engaging reverse
4 = Switch between Aux Video In and Front Camera

Well, IMO, could you not combine 1 & 2 into one button? Better yet, why would you need to turn 1 & 2 off? Why not just leave them on?

And to answer your previoius question, i would have to go with:

3) A plug and play harness with switches

bdl99 11-08-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 801123)
Well, IMO, could you not combine 1 & 2 into one button? Better yet, why would you need to turn 1 & 2 off? Why not just leave them on?

And to answer your previoius question, i would have to go with:

3) A plug and play harness with switches

Regarding combining 1 and 2, others have done this but I don't recommend it for the following reason. When you bypass the speed sensor the navigation system is not as reliable and the location can freeze because the Nav system has no speed reading.

In practical terms this is how it is used (at least for me)
  • When my daughter wants to watch a DVD I have the DVD bypass on for hours at a time and there are no side effects.
  • On rare occasions when we want to do something like add a way point or enter a number. We can activate the Nav-bypass, enter what is needed and de-activate the Nav-bypass. In this case there is very limited effect on the navigation.

axeman71 11-08-2010 03:25 PM

I have already done the speed sensor and parking brake bypasses based on DIYs I found on the forums here.

The parking brake bypass is permanent. You just ground the wire from the parking brake and you can watch the DVDs while moving, no side effects.

Bypassing the VSS sensor allows you to use all the menu items on the nav system while moving. This one needs a switch because when you bypass the VSS the navigation doesn't work well. The system only polls the GPS every 15 or 20 seconds and fills in the rest of the movement based on the speed sensor. So you switch the VSS bypass, use the nav menu, then switch the bypass off so the nav works well.

Jeffblue 11-08-2010 03:28 PM

2009 guys, please respond to my PM if you haven't done so yet, the 2009 navtool interface group buy is getting held up until i can get 15 responses with email addresses. I have only recieved 5 or 6 responses.

Osiris 11-08-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by axeman71 (Post 801249)
The parking brake bypass is permanent. You just ground the wire from the parking brake and you can watch the DVDs while moving, no side effects.

i looked for this DIY, all i found was the rear view camera and dvd DIY. I did not see one for grounding the parking brake. Can you post the link?


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