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Specialized 10-25-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N8GTOL (Post 781571)
Specialized - are your kits for the 2010 plug-n-play? any pictures of the 2010 system with guidelines working? If not perhaps you can post or email a pdf instruction manual.

Here is a picture of the guidelines on a gtr. These would be the same on the 370z. These guidelines are user selectable from the diagnostic settings. The 2010 kits are plug and play. The 2009 models require a few wires to be tapped into.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4148/...dd9ca383c6.jpg

Thank you, Adrey

dixon cider 10-25-2010 10:57 PM

Sweeeeeeet!!:happydance:

Jeffblue 10-26-2010 12:13 AM

Adrey which camera is included with the kit? assuming it is being mounted above the license plate, which is pretty much the stock location for nissan/infiniti

lachap55 10-26-2010 10:12 AM

camera
 
2010 plat. roadster, 370 fully loaded z.
nissan intentionally left off the camera function on the 2010. it should be a simply plug and play sollution....but will it cost a arm and a leg. does nissan appletize their accessories?(let other vender make parts for their accessories)or will they keep the patent?

Lemers 10-26-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Specialized (Post 781578)

I like what you've done. And I don't want to seem picky, but can the camera be mounted so the the lines end at the horizon on level ground?

Specialized 10-26-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 782319)
I like what you've done. And I don't want to seem picky, but can the camera be mounted so the the lines end at the horizon on level ground?


The lines are set are either ON or OFF.

Mize 10-26-2010 01:32 PM

Specialized, can you link to an installation guide?
Thanks.

Specialized 10-26-2010 01:32 PM

Guys, we are looking to Sponsor a local 370z (2010+)in the South Florida area to install the rear camera kit. We would offer the kit at the group buy pricing and we would offer free installation on the kit. Anyone interested please give us a call.

djpathfinder 10-26-2010 01:35 PM

Perhaps if the camera was installed so that it was angled downward right above the license plate, the lines would match up better with the horizon. Plus the video you see would be less of a worm's eye view perspective. Does the kit give you a housing option for installing it there?

Specialized 10-26-2010 01:41 PM

Keep in mind that the picture above is from a GTR, and not a 370. The viewing angle might differ than the picture above. Also, the camera is mounted on a bracket that allows you to set the angle to your viewing preference.

Jeffblue 10-26-2010 02:50 PM

Good News for you '09 guys. I have a solution for you via group buy. I spoke with the people at Navtool and they offered me the following deal:
15 people committed to buy will get a group buy price of 175 (350 regular)for the Navtool video interface. http://www.navtool.com/370Z.aspx

for the '09 unit, there are several DIY's on the forum for the NAVTOOL and according to them it is plug and play.

The only thing you would need to get would be the camera itself. They recommend the Pioneer ND-BC2, but you can get something else (like what AK did) depending on how much you want to spend.

bdl99 10-26-2010 04:54 PM

Jeff, good news on the 2009 option, looks like you've got a good deal there.

Some history and details for those who care :)

The 2009/10 GT-Rs and 2009 370z have the older NAV systems/screen. The main difference was/is that the older units were analog RGB and not "programmed" so to speak to take the camera. For the older systems there are various solutions like the NAVTool unit that contain a composite to RGB converter and then a switching circuit to switch the display when the car is placed in reverse. That is why they cost a little more (there is more to it).

My interest was just in the newer units and it started when I got my 2011 GT-R in June and I realized the car appeared to be programmed for a backup camera but not wired. I set about finding out where the camera inputs went and by comparing the wiring diagrams of the Infiniti and GT-R worked it out. I tested the theory on my own car and it worked. I posted the finding and details for everyone to see (including vendors). Had I wanted to make money I wouldn't have done that. You can see the first thread here --> Could it be that simple - NAGTROC

What you will see is for 2011 GTR (and 2010 370z) all that is needed is three things:
  1. To enable the camera
  2. A way of connecting the video-in because although the software is there the wires are not
  3. Configuring the guidelines (it is not a simple on/off - they can be configured)

For Item 1, many of you have already done this. You will get the blue screen when putting the car in reverse.

For item 2, I proved the theory by sticking two probes in the pins I had identified and it worked. You could just insert two pins in those holes and connect an RCA/phono jack on the other end and you would be all set (would cost you a couple of bucks). However, I didn't want to take that approach as I didn't want to interfere with the existing plug because once you insert those pins they don't come back out. My idea was to create a harness that sat between the existing plug and socket so that it could be removed as easily as it was installed (important for those with warranty concerns). Finding the plugs and sockets took me a few weeks and then several more to get them shipped from Japan.

Item 3 was just lots of trial and error and remembering some physics from school, but I eventually got the results I was pleased with. In fact one fellow GT-R owner who I helped out even posted:
"The guideline settings he gave are absolutely spot-on! In fact, they're more accurate than my friend's stock R8 guidelines"

Any DIYers out there I'm happy to help in anyway I can.

wilsonp 10-26-2010 05:48 PM

Are you going to start a new Navtool 2009 thread?

I will commit.

Jeffblue 10-26-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonp (Post 782974)
Are you going to start a new Navtool 2009 thread?

I will commit.

i figured we could just keep it in one thread for continuity purposes, but i have the two separate lists going. now that i've got pricing for the '09 kit group buy that will probably work for people. i want to get feedback on the pricing. the sooner i can get 15 people the sooner i can get back to them, and then we can work out how to get these ordered. if necessary, i can serve as a middle man if necessary, but i'd honestly prefer not to, i dont really want to tow the line between vendor and member, since i'm not actually selling anything, i'd just be collecting money and paying it out to the company. anyways, so we need two more people to commmit for the '09 solution to get that group buy moving.

kay3399 10-27-2010 01:28 AM

+2010

DeLRo 10-27-2010 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 782906)
Jeff, good news on the 2009 option, looks like you've got a good deal there.

Some history and details for those who care :)

The 2009/10 GT-Rs and 2009 370z have the older NAV systems/screen. The main difference was/is that the older units were analog RGB and not "programmed" so to speak to take the camera. For the older systems there are various solutions like the NAVTool unit that contain a composite to RGB converter and then a switching circuit to switch the display when the car is placed in reverse. That is why they cost a little more (there is more to it).

My interest was just in the newer units and it started when I got my 2011 GT-R in June and I realized the car appeared to be programmed for a backup camera but not wired. I set about finding out where the camera inputs went and by comparing the wiring diagrams of the Infiniti and GT-R worked it out. I tested the theory on my own car and it worked. I posted the finding and details for everyone to see (including vendors). Had I wanted to make money I wouldn't have done that. You can see the first thread here --> Could it be that simple - NAGTROC

What you will see is for 2011 GTR (and 2010 370z) all that is needed is three things:
  1. To enable the camera
  2. A way of connecting the video-in because although the software is there the wires are not
  3. Configuring the guidelines (it is not a simple on/off - they can be configured)

For Item 1, many of you have already done this. You will get the blue screen when putting the car in reverse.

For item 2, I proved the theory by sticking two probes in the pins I had identified and it worked. You could just insert two pins in those holes and connect an RCA/phono jack on the other end and you would be all set (would cost you a couple of bucks). However, I didn't want to take that approach as I didn't want to interfere with the existing plug because once you insert those pins they don't come back out. My idea was to create a harness that sat between the existing plug and socket so that it could be removed as easily as it was installed (important for those with warranty concerns). Finding the plugs and sockets took me a few weeks and then several more to get them shipped from Japan.

Item 3 was just lots of trial and error and remembering some physics from school, but I eventually got the results I was pleased with. In fact one fellow GT-R owner who I helped out even posted:
"The guideline settings he gave are absolutely spot-on! In fact, they're more accurate than my friend's stock R8 guidelines"

Any DIYers out there I'm happy to help in anyway I can.

Just wanted to let everyone know that Brian is the guy that I've been working with to make this happen for us. I wanted to make sure that we were able to get a reliable source that could produce something that was as close to OEM as possible and from what I've seen Brian is the best choice out there. Brian has been more than helpful and quick to answer any question I've had.

As soon as I get my kit I will install and get a DIY posted. If this is the route everyone is happy with I'll coordinate with Jeffblue and Brian in finalizing a group buy for the 2010's.

ClemsonWill 10-28-2010 01:37 PM

This is coming along. I'm excited. What kit did you get Delro?

DeLRo 10-28-2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 785957)
This is coming along. I'm excited. What kit did you get Delro?

Just ordered a harness from bdl99(Brian). Should be here on Monday instead of Saturday since I forgot about the time change from PST to EST. :icon14:

Jeffblue 10-28-2010 07:47 PM

good stuff Delro :tup:

CharBoiler 10-29-2010 04:06 PM

2009

Interested also

Jeffblue 10-29-2010 04:27 PM

^ great, we have 15 for 2009s, i will contact navtool on monday again to tell them we have 50, and then i'll figure out an arrangement in which they can be paid and you all can get cameras. the interface is 175 (group buy price, the regular price is 300 something.), and then you buy a camera of your choice. anyone on here can chime in for recommendations on cameras. you can spend anywhere from 30 to 200+ on a camera, up to you.

r9u8t0 10-30-2010 03:54 PM

I'm very interested...2010ZR

Jeffblue 10-31-2010 10:49 PM

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Hey all, i just got back from meeting with bdl99 and installed his harness and a kenwood cmos 200 rearview camera. We are in the process of working on the DIY, the most diffiult part being running the wires throughout the length of the car and removing panels. the actual harness and camera themselves, from a wiring perspective, are easy and simple to install, and totally removable if you want to take out the harness if you had a reason (if you had a warranty issue with your nav or something) I am still tweaking the exact angle i want the camera at (hence why you can see my plate still, but once i figure out the perfect angle (since its different from the GTR to the Z), i will establish that in the DIY install.)

Here's a pic so you guys can see proof that his kit does in fact work. this is on my 2010 370Z. please not that the camera is straight. i just parked crooked in my garage because there was stuff in the way..
Edit: corrected camera name

djpathfinder 10-31-2010 11:09 PM

Sweet!

My FX45 with Tech package came with a back up camera and on that you can see a part of my plates too, just like in your picture...that's fine on the 370Z b/c you can use the bumper to judge close distance for parking (in addition to the green, yellow and red lines).

Looks like preparation for this group buy is coming along just fine!

dixon cider 11-01-2010 03:41 AM

Nice Jeff!! Anxiously waiting.....

bdl99 11-01-2010 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 790408)
Hey all, i just got back from meeting with bdl99 and installed his harness and a kenwood cmos 2000 rearview camera.

Jeff, was great to meet you and glad you could see everything first hand.

Just one small point, we installed the Kenwood CMOS-200 camera, not to be confused with the older Kenwood CCD-2000 model which it replaced.

Jeffblue 11-01-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 791046)
Jeff, was great to meet you and glad you could see everything first hand.

Just one small point, we installed the Kenwood CMOS-200 camera, not to be confused with the older Kenwood CCD-2000 model which it replaced.

it was great to meet you too. I would like to add that Brian also treated me to 2 spicy chicken sandwiches from Wendy's, which may or may not be included in the group buy, depending on if there is enough interest.:roflpuke2: perhaps we could include chicken nuggets .:bowrofl:

I corrected my post above to CMOS-200. seems like i combined the names of both cameras in my head. I am going to work with Brian in the next day or two to get the DIY ready. As i said in my above post. the most time consuming part is just knowing how to remove the pieces from the interior. now that i've done it once, i feel like i could do this install in 1-2 hours from totally assembled dash, to installed camera, back to fully assembled.

kevin1985912 11-01-2010 01:41 PM

very interested, if the price is right. count me in, 2009 z with nav.

DeLRo 11-02-2010 06:10 PM

Just got my kit in the mail yesterday. Hope to install in the next day or so.

MakoFury 11-02-2010 08:26 PM

Is the camera placed in the same spot as the OEM camera did on overaseas Z's and the 2011's Z's? I noticed there is a square where it looks like something was covered on the 2010's Z's here in that same location.

Jeffblue 11-02-2010 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakoFury (Post 793362)
Is the camera placed in the same spot as the OEM camera did on overaseas Z's and the 2011's Z's? I noticed there is a square where it looks like something was covered on the 2010's Z's here in that same location.

it is in the OEM location. :tup: the oem location gives you much better perspective than installing it in the square in the bumper

ClemsonWill 11-03-2010 09:52 AM

Any idea what the group price will be on your setup Jeffblue? I'm game to order the same kit with same camera for my 2010.

hcolba 11-03-2010 12:47 PM

Very interested. 2010 coupe with nav.

dixon cider 11-06-2010 12:41 AM

Hey Jeff, any update?

Jeffblue 11-06-2010 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dixon cider (Post 798509)
Hey Jeff, any update?

Hey, thanks for your patience guys.

I and bdl99 are just going over some things with AK to make sure things get done right and that no rules are violated so that everyone can get their camera kits for both years. i've been in touch with the guys at navtool and just have to go over one or two more things with them before we can proceed.:tup:

dixon cider 11-06-2010 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 798737)
Hey, thanks for your patience guys.

I and bdl99 are just going over some things with AK to make sure things get done right and that no rules are violated so that everyone can get their camera kits for both years. i've been in touch with the guys at navtool and just have to go over one or two more things with them before we can proceed.:tup:

:tiphat:

Jeffblue 11-06-2010 10:13 PM

Sent all you 2009 guys a PM regarding the group buy for the navtool :tup:

Lemers 11-06-2010 10:22 PM

Do you have a picture of where the oem camera is mounted.

Jeffblue 11-06-2010 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 799307)
Do you have a picture of where the oem camera is mounted.

well, this is AS we were mounting it...

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1289103880

Mize 11-07-2010 06:40 AM

So when is the group buy going down?


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