Another ADV.1 Quality Control Failure

memorylasts · 07-13-2012, 02:18 PM

Im posting this to help, I know i've posted a lot about ADV.1 and here is another reason.

I ask if you guys will to pass this information along, this company is going to hurt someone or worse. They show no regard for their consumer let alone the quality of their product.

Thread source over on m3post.

This is ADV.1's quality... - BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

I am quoting the OP's initial outlay of information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by b42

I'm a new and not a BMW owner, so if you guys feel bad, I am sorry.

I read "22'' ADV10TS wheels cracked from the inside out!" and "This is why I will only buy JWL certified wheels" threads on this forum, and I also want you guys to know about the ADV.1's quality.

Please read this. if you are interested in the ADV.1 3-piece wheels, want to get them or have been using them.

At first, see the photo below.

This is the center disc of my wheel that is 21" ADV.1 ADV7 Track Spec for my Audi RS6 Avant(C6).

We can see many holes on the flange.

<details>
Mar. 2010: I ordered 21" ADV.1 ADV7 Deep Concave through Wheels Boutique.
Sep. 2010: The wheels arrived, but they were returned to ADV.1 because of the wrong offset.
Oct. 2010: The corrected wheel set arrived, but they were returned to ADV.1 again because the vibration appeared.
Mar. 2011: The corrected wheel set arrived, but they were returned to ADV.1 again because of the wrong center bore and the vibration appeared again.
Jun. 2011: The corrected wheel set arrived, but the wrong offset and the wrong center bore were found again.
　　　　　　　　 I requested a refund.
　　　　　　　　Jordan offered me a free second wheel set by using a warranty.
　　　　　　　　I ordered 21" ADV7 Track Spec.
Nor. 2011: The second wheel set arrived, and...

I had gotten the vibration on the speed more than 75 mph again and thought that tires were not good, so they were changed from the Pirelli P-Zero Neros to the new Bridgestone Potenza RE050s, but the vibration had not stopped yet.

Next, I doubted that the wheels might have some problems.
Normally, I should return the wheels to ADV.1 to inspect them without taking them apart, but I am in Japan and do not want to take a long time to reassemble them, so they were taken apart to reassemble here in Japan.
At the time, I found many holes which were cut on the flange of the center disc.

Actually two rear wheels have the added holes.

the right side

the left side

When we compare the right center disc with the left one, the added holes are cut the different position between the right and the left ones.

See the photo above.
It is too close between holes, and the flange may crack when fasteners are tightened up.
I am really worry about the safety and the strength of these wheels.
They will not be able to support the RS6 which has the 580hp and the heavy weight 4800lbs.
When I imagine that I drive my car which is installed the wheels with my family, I get just scared...

Of course, I let ADV.1 know about this issue.
Jordan's answer was,,,

> it's not anything that would affect the safety / quality of the wheels

I asked him why he could declare that the safety and the quality of my wheels were not problem without inspecting the actual wheels.

This is Jordan's answer.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:35:45 -0400

ADV.1 Jordan wrote:

There's no need for us to inspect the wheels again as they were inspected
upon QC prior to assembly and packaging. The 80 hole drill process on the
assembly flange is used often times for weight reduction / valve stem hole
alignment should the rotation of the center disc be slightly off from the
pre-drilled hole on the lip. Normally for weight savings we do this a
little differently as shown attached however on the 80 hole alignment it's
exactly like this. The reason this was done on your file is only because
the drill programming was an existing file from a previous order.

This does not in any way affect your wheels balance, strength or any other
negative factor.

Jordan

ADV.1 | Advance One Wheels, Inc.

Jordan Swerdloff

President

This is his a attached reference.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Jordan has never explained logically and concretely why my wheels here do not have problem of the safety, the strength and the quality.

He explains the flange pocketing, but I have never ordered to cut pockets or added holes on the flange of center discs.

Addition, he explains the previus drill programming in this mail.

> The reason this was done on your file is only because
> the drill programming was an existing file from a previous order.

The previus order is ADV7 Deep Concave.
The latest order is ADV7 Track Spec.

This is definitely ADV.1's failure.
ADV.1 made a blunder to input the drill programming.
This signifys that they can not manage customers' orders and the production process.
He has admited that ADV.1 has problems with their abilities in a customer management, a production management and a quality control.

My wheel set here is an inferior product which was made by ADV.1's blunder.

I have requested a refund, but Jordan has insisted that my wheel set here has no problem.

I'd like to ask you guys on this forum.

Do you think this wheel set is a quality product?
Could you pay $8000 for this wheel set?
Could you drive your car which is installed this wheel set with your family?

Thank you for reading this long story.:thanks:

Waiz · 07-13-2012, 05:40 PM

Why are people still ordering such massive wheels for their cars?

This is just puzzling to me

phelan · 07-13-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waizzz

Why are people still ordering such massive wheels for their cars?

This is just puzzling to me

Besides the point that the seller is trying to buy off a quality escape as a 'typical process'. I would hate to have those wheels right now. Serious questions to the safety of them, given how little metal there is in the fasteners.

^ Obviously this one is the worst case. Barely any metal there. This is going on a wheel with high rotational forces; without doing any stress analysis I'd be really concerned that that little piece of metal is all that is stopping it from ripping out of the fastener.

memorylasts · 07-13-2012, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phelan

^ Obviously this one is the worst case. Barely any metal there. This is going on a wheel with high rotational forces; without doing any stress analysis I'd be really concerned that that little piece of metal is all that is stopping it from ripping out of the fastener.

I think that is one of the scariest things but that is what you get when there is no quality check. 21"s on a RS6 I can to an extent understand I would still not buy such big wheels, the fact that the previous program was still left in the machine is careless.

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Nut_N_Much · 07-13-2012, 07:19 PM

I applaud

you on your patience with these guy's.. What size gun do you own. Please insure it remains in the lock box...

Robert_K · 07-13-2012, 09:51 PM

Wow! This sorta comes as a surprised and than doesn't also. ADV1 wheels manufacturing is out sourced. So I guarantee the QC is not on par with what Jordan is expecting. He has his "haters" from his 360 Forged days. And now his loyal followers for his ADV1 wheels. ADV1 wheels are very good looking wheels. No doubt about that. Hell I was seriously considering a set. But their primary goal is designing a good looking wheel. For that reason alone is why I went with my HRE wheels. HRE's primary goal is designing a wheel for safety and track abuse. I can continue with more great info on HRE's over ADV1 but I don't want to change the subject of this thread and the fact that before buying wheel do some research. There is a lot more to consider in a new set of wheels than how it looks.

VinceThe1 · 07-13-2012, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nut_N_Much

I applaud

you on your patience with these guy's.. What size gun do you own. Please insure it remains in the lock box...

Guys not to defend them by any means but if safety is the only concern here then it is not an issue, atleast not because of spacing between the holes. Reason being is that the thin metal is only about 25-30% of the round hole, which means it is impossible for the bolt to "pop out" of that hole, and when you have forces distributed to so many holes, chanses of that failing are extremely minimal. I am an engineer and machine all types of products for a living.

Now, do I agree with them? No. For me the safety and vibration issues are due to the multi-piece wheels themselves (because of the possibility of human error when assembling, like overtightening/leaving the bolts too loose), and no matter what, this is a brand new production wheel, not a prototype...It should have no mistakes, should of been scrapped just because it is not to plan, regardless if it will do the job or not. This is a careless error and these are not cheap wheels where something like this would be "understandable". $8000 to me is a ridiculous price...these wheels should be beyond perfect.

TeRRoRiFiC35 · 07-16-2012, 10:41 AM

This is the second thread about their quality in the past 2 months.... I don't know how anyone would consider these, especially after them being asked to provide their TUV certificate and not doing it (because they don't have it). They outsource the cutting of their wheels to MHT in California who also cuts for DPE and pretty much all the other US made wheels... MHT sells designs close to what ADV.1 has for half the price. To say those holes are to reduce weight is a joke; it's easy to see they messed up the holes and redrilled them making them unsafe, there is no other reason why they are threaded. CCW cuts holes out of the face to reduce weight, and guess what, they aren't threaded.

And the worst of it all, why would anyone trust the owner of this company after the whole 360forged problem.

TypeOne · 07-16-2012, 11:37 AM

Ugh... that is scary.

It's also terrible to see that the President of the company isn't making any attempt to make his customer happy, or explain it in a way he can understand.

At the costs of these wheels, it's unacceptable to even think that something like this is going on.

phelan · 07-16-2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinceThe1

Guys not to defend them by any means but if safety is the only concern here then it is not an issue, atleast not because of spacing between the holes. Reason being is that the thin metal is only about 25-30% of the round hole, which means it is impossible for the bolt to "pop out" of that hole, and when you have forces distributed to so many holes, chanses of that failing are extremely minimal. I am an engineer and machine all types of products for a living.

Now, do I agree with them? No. For me the safety and vibration issues are due to the multi-piece wheels themselves (because of the possibility of human error when assembling, like overtightening/leaving the bolts too loose), and no matter what, this is a brand new production wheel, not a prototype...It should have no mistakes, should of been scrapped just because it is not to plan, regardless if it will do the job or not. This is a careless error and these are not cheap wheels where something like this would be "understandable". $8000 to me is a ridiculous price...these wheels should be beyond perfect.

Mmmm....distributed forces, I had forgotten about that. Good point. I would hope that the torque required for the fasteners would be on the assembly drawing though.

As an engineer, I would actually think if the rationale showed it's still good for use-as-is, the initial cost of material may be prohibitive, and they can provide the rationale and move on. I still don't agree, given the price I can't figure out how they couldn't just buy more metal and redo it, but just saying.

fuct · 07-16-2012, 02:23 PM

im only a mechanical designer so ill keep my comment short.

what a POS!

VinceThe1 · 07-17-2012, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phelan

Mmmm....distributed forces, I had forgotten about that. Good point. I would hope that the torque required for the fasteners would be on the assembly drawing though.

As an engineer, I would actually think if the rationale showed it's still good for use-as-is, the initial cost of material may be prohibitive, and they can provide the rationale and move on. I still don't agree, given the price I can't figure out how they couldn't just buy more metal and redo it, but just saying.

exactly, for that price there should be no compromises.

memorylasts · 07-17-2012, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinceThe1

exactly, for that price there should be no compromises.

Thats one of the main issues, for what they charge they have to many errors and wont go fixing it unless you create a stink on the net. thankfully this isnt my set of wheels as someone had mentioned, I read about this stuff and post it up. even though i know ADV.1's arnt big here it is still good to know.

BLUESLATE · 07-17-2012, 06:08 PM

Serious? Why still buy from Jordan? Didn't people learn from how he ran 360 Forged???

zero · 07-17-2012, 06:27 PM

Maybe the wheel was designed for static photo shoot

07-13-2012, 07:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nut_N_Much A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pensacola Florida Posts: 1,696 Drives: Awesome Car Rep Power: 26	Scary I applaud you on your patience with these guy's.. What size gun do you own. Please insure it remains in the lock box... __________________ Did new cool science stuff to the car !!! http://www.the370z.com/mazoc/99606-z...y-14-17-a.html http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...-w-videos.html

07-13-2012, 09:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Robert_K A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Spring, TX/Iraq Posts: 1,281 Drives: '12 Forgeline G37S Rep Power: 18	Wow! This sorta comes as a surprised and than doesn't also. ADV1 wheels manufacturing is out sourced. So I guarantee the QC is not on par with what Jordan is expecting. He has his "haters" from his 360 Forged days. And now his loyal followers for his ADV1 wheels. ADV1 wheels are very good looking wheels. No doubt about that. Hell I was seriously considering a set. But their primary goal is designing a good looking wheel. For that reason alone is why I went with my HRE wheels. HRE's primary goal is designing a wheel for safety and track abuse. I can continue with more great info on HRE's over ADV1 but I don't want to change the subject of this thread and the fact that before buying wheel do some research. There is a lot more to consider in a new set of wheels than how it looks. __________________ '12 G37S Forgeline, '03 Built TT 350Z HRE (Sold!) http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...psc7a6dc53.jpg

07-16-2012, 10:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
TeRRoRiFiC35 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 37 Drives: '11 G37x Sedan Rep Power: 15	This is the second thread about their quality in the past 2 months.... I don't know how anyone would consider these, especially after them being asked to provide their TUV certificate and not doing it (because they don't have it). They outsource the cutting of their wheels to MHT in California who also cuts for DPE and pretty much all the other US made wheels... MHT sells designs close to what ADV.1 has for half the price. To say those holes are to reduce weight is a joke; it's easy to see they messed up the holes and redrilled them making them unsafe, there is no other reason why they are threaded. CCW cuts holes out of the face to reduce weight, and guess what, they aren't threaded. And the worst of it all, why would anyone trust the owner of this company after the whole 360forged problem. Last edited by TeRRoRiFiC35; 07-16-2012 at 10:43 AM.

07-17-2012, 06:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
BLUESLATE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Top Secret Posts: 390 Drives: 13' Subaru BRZ Rep Power: 15	Serious? Why still buy from Jordan? Didn't people learn from how he ran 360 Forged??? __________________ Special Thanks to Counterspace Garage, RareJDM LLC, and Dave's Garage. Rota wheels give me nightmare. Thus, it makes Rota wheels the wheels of my dreams. barf

07-17-2012, 06:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
zero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,259 Drives: MK 7.5 Golf R Rep Power: 22	Maybe the wheel was designed for static photo shoot __________________

07-13-2012, 05:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	Why are people still ordering such massive wheels for their cars? This is just puzzling to me

07-16-2012, 11:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
TypeOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 2,682 Drives: BSM 370 Rep Power: 1850	Ugh... that is scary. It's also terrible to see that the President of the company isn't making any attempt to make his customer happy, or explain it in a way he can understand. At the costs of these wheels, it's unacceptable to even think that something like this is going on.

07-16-2012, 02:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 23	im only a mechanical designer so ill keep my comment short. what a POS!

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