stock tires, and fish tailing

370zfan24 · 12-25-2015, 01:20 PM

So I've had my car since January and I've since hydroplaned/lost control of the car and I can't seem to figure out what the problem is. I'm pretty sure its the tires but wanted to ask around etc. Posted some questions below, any help is appreciated.

Best tires to run for maximum traction, and slippery conditions?

Could I change the back tires, but not the fronts and still ride comfortably?

Like I said before I've had to very close calls, and I'm just about to get rid of the car because it scares me so much when I hydroplane/lose control. Both times I've been lucky and never hit anyone else or done excessive damage to the car.

Chuck33079 · 12-25-2015, 02:28 PM

Are the tires bald? Is VDC on? Are you driving appropriately for conditions? What's your alignment look like?

Also, are you running summer tires in cold temperatures?

JARblue · 12-25-2015, 02:31 PM

The stock tires are sort of decent performance tires in warm, dry conditions. They are less than ideal in just about anything else. Lots of other factors can affect their performance, especially tread wear, cold or wet weather, alignment issues, and driver skill

SouthArk370Z · 12-25-2015, 02:36 PM

wide tires + light car = easy to hydroplane

As others have mentioned, there are many factors involved: tread geometry, tread depth, compound, temperature, speed, &c, &c, &c.

Alignment can be a large part of the problem - check your alignment, as per Chuck33079.

370zfan24 · 12-25-2015, 03:02 PM

Its like 63 degrees, no rain just wet. I was going around 30-40MPH and cranked it to about 50-60 and I'm guessing it spun the back tires and then proceed to go out of control. The tires that are currently on it are Goodyear Eagles I purchased the car back in january as stated and thats what were on the car and since then I've put approx 10k miles on them. My grandfather also mentioned to me that it looked like the rear wheels were out of alignment so I'll have to get that all checked etc. Anyone have advice on which tires & wheels I should get, I think I'm just gonna do tires all the way around and two rims on the back wheels since when I hydroplaned/lost control it bent the right back rim. Thanks for all your responses so far its very much appreciated.

90 ST · 12-25-2015, 03:32 PM

Tires on the Z wear faster then most old cars due to the camber, which is why your GP may have thought they look out. Check that your tires have good tread on the inside, closest to the diff. If you have put on 10k plus what was on them they could be bald on the inside. As well if your not familiar with RWD cars with some power leave VDC on until you are, or only turn it off when it's warm and dry.

JC-Nismo · 12-25-2015, 04:00 PM

No offense, but it just sounds like your new or inexperienced with posi rear cars. Get a full alignment and have you camber and tow corrected if there off a bit. Tires should've been the first remedy before you move on to anything else other than slowing down a bit on wet pavement, Lol.

Jsolo · 12-25-2015, 04:42 PM

Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires? That's one crappy POS tire.

If it's wet out, you should be taking it easy, esp a high hp rwd car.

barncobob · 12-25-2015, 08:04 PM

lighter foot

Rusty · 12-25-2015, 08:22 PM

If you're changing tires. Change all 4. The Z doesn't like mismatched tires. The Mich PSS's is not a bad wet tire. When the road is wet. Drive with an egg under your right foot.

kenchan · 12-25-2015, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zfan24

So I've had my car since January and I've since hydroplaned/lost control of the car and I can't seem to figure out what the problem is.

slow down? ..

Lukcas61 · 12-25-2015, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

If you're changing tires. Change all 4. The Z doesn't like mismatched tires. The Mich PSS's is not a bad wet tire. When the road is wet. Drive with an egg under your right foot.

I'm driving with two same front tires but two different back tires and my Z handles great. I have all season tires so I don't have OP's problem. It's been raining here in SoCal on and off and no issues going at 80 on the highway. On a stoplight I might spin the back tires a bit if I push a little bit too hard.

Just get some great all season tires and you are good to go. Unless of course it snows where you are.

Rusty · 12-25-2015, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukcas61

I'm driving with two same front tires but two different back tires and my Z handles great. I have all season tires so I don't have OP's problem. It's been raining here in SoCal on and off and no issues going at 80 on the highway. On a stoplight I might spin the back tires a bit if I push a little bit too hard.

Just get some great all season tires and you are good to go. Unless of course it snows where you are.

If you read through some of the posts in different threads. A lot of the guys have reported problems with mixed tired.

370zfan24 · 12-26-2015, 10:35 AM

I've decided to get the BF Goodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, I'll have 30 days on these tires if I don't like them then I can take them back and they will put different ones on.

Chuck33079 · 12-26-2015, 11:08 AM

No tires will save you if you're driving too fast for conditions or your alignment is out of whack. And I'm not sure how you're having the trouble you described with VDC on.

12-25-2015, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
370zfan24 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hagerstown Posts: 21 Drives: 14 Porsche Cayman S Rep Power: 10	stock tires, and fish tailing So I've had my car since January and I've since hydroplaned/lost control of the car and I can't seem to figure out what the problem is. I'm pretty sure its the tires but wanted to ask around etc. Posted some questions below, any help is appreciated. Best tires to run for maximum traction, and slippery conditions? Could I change the back tires, but not the fronts and still ride comfortably? Like I said before I've had to very close calls, and I'm just about to get rid of the car because it scares me so much when I hydroplane/lose control. Both times I've been lucky and never hit anyone else or done excessive damage to the car. 90 ST likes this.

12-25-2015, 02:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Are the tires bald? Is VDC on? Are you driving appropriately for conditions? What's your alignment look like? Also, are you running summer tires in cold temperatures? Trips and JARblue like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

12-25-2015, 02:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	The stock tires are sort of decent performance tires in warm, dry conditions. They are less than ideal in just about anything else. Lots of other factors can affect their performance, especially tread wear, cold or wet weather, alignment issues, and driver skill __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \| Last edited by JARblue; 12-25-2015 at 02:37 PM.

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SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	wide tires + light car = easy to hydroplane As others have mentioned, there are many factors involved: tread geometry, tread depth, compound, temperature, speed, &c, &c, &c. Alignment can be a large part of the problem - check your alignment, as per Chuck33079. JARblue, Rusty and Zoren 370 like this. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-25-2015, 03:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
90 ST A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,861 Drives: 90 and 15 GMC Sierra Rep Power: 420	Tires on the Z wear faster then most old cars due to the camber, which is why your GP may have thought they look out. Check that your tires have good tread on the inside, closest to the diff. If you have put on 10k plus what was on them they could be bald on the inside. As well if your not familiar with RWD cars with some power leave VDC on until you are, or only turn it off when it's warm and dry. __________________ Not driving your car to keep it in nice shape, is like not wanting to smash your girlfriend so she stays tight for the next guy.

12-25-2015, 03:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
370zfan24 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hagerstown Posts: 21 Drives: 14 Porsche Cayman S Rep Power: 10	Its like 63 degrees, no rain just wet. I was going around 30-40MPH and cranked it to about 50-60 and I'm guessing it spun the back tires and then proceed to go out of control. The tires that are currently on it are Goodyear Eagles I purchased the car back in january as stated and thats what were on the car and since then I've put approx 10k miles on them. My grandfather also mentioned to me that it looked like the rear wheels were out of alignment so I'll have to get that all checked etc. Anyone have advice on which tires & wheels I should get, I think I'm just gonna do tires all the way around and two rims on the back wheels since when I hydroplaned/lost control it bent the right back rim. Thanks for all your responses so far its very much appreciated.

12-25-2015, 04:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
JC-Nismo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,244 Drives: 2011 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 12	No offense, but it just sounds like your new or inexperienced with posi rear cars. Get a full alignment and have you camber and tow corrected if there off a bit. Tires should've been the first remedy before you move on to anything else other than slowing down a bit on wet pavement, Lol. cv129 and Zoren 370 like this.

12-25-2015, 04:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jsolo Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 783 Drives: '12 G37 6MT Rep Power: 14	Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires? That's one crappy POS tire. If it's wet out, you should be taking it easy, esp a high hp rwd car. __________________ G37S Sedan 6MT, Eibach swaybars, Invidia Exhaust, Weaker Clutch Pedal Spring For sale links

12-25-2015, 08:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
barncobob A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: hangtown, CA Posts: 1,164 Drives: 16 370Z auto Rep Power: 589	lighter foot

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,870 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	If you're changing tires. Change all 4. The Z doesn't like mismatched tires. The Mich PSS's is not a bad wet tire. When the road is wet. Drive with an egg under your right foot. Zoren 370 likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

12-26-2015, 10:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
370zfan24 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Hagerstown Posts: 21 Drives: 14 Porsche Cayman S Rep Power: 10	I've decided to get the BF Goodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, I'll have 30 days on these tires if I don't like them then I can take them back and they will put different ones on. hjo1078 likes this.

12-26-2015, 11:08 AM	#15 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	No tires will save you if you're driving too fast for conditions or your alignment is out of whack. And I'm not sure how you're having the trouble you described with VDC on. SouthArk370Z and Zoren 370 like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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