Lower pricing, and 370Z support to Pro Tuners

Uprev

Depends on the car. Tuning isn't some static deal. Each car is totally different, and each tune needs to be adjusted per car. The canned tune systems don't work as witnessed time and time again in the complaints posted in the forums.

Tuning allows you to make the motor run more efficiently. The more efficient the motor runs, the more power you make. If your car is dead to nuts accurate right now, then you gain a total of nothing. We rarely see that happen, 99.9% of cars we've tuned have made 3+hp across the rpm range, with more power being seen when there are drops in the stock curve. The more mods you make, the more potential to cause the stock tune to be out of whack and the more power gain potential you'll have.

Though some totally stock cars have made as much as 35hp gains, thats not what we're going to put on our advertisements. It's not fair to consumers to think that tuning makes that kind of power unless something is out of whack with how their car is running.

No car has ever lost power with our product. Remember we only make software allowing your car to be adjusted. We don't make power. Thats a byproduct of your motor running more efficiently. Most cars have a small bit left in them when they are totally stock. Cars with mods usually have rather large amounts of power to be made.

In fact if you look at the cost of an exhaust for the 370Z and the power it makes, vs. a full dyno tune with Osiris, you'll find that most of the time we're not just less than half the price but that you'll make more power with the tune. With the price of intakes right now we almost always win the price/performance comparison.

I'd contact one of our Pro Tuners if I was you and ask them some questions. Most of our Pro Tuners are very open and willing to explain details and work with you to plan out your mods so that you don't go doing something either very costly or totally useless. It's your money, and your car, spend wisely.

NewYorkJon34

Your def right about that, HPlogic is the closest tuner that seems to be active in the 370Z community, I should probably contact them whenever you guys finalize a tune & I buy a few more mods.

Denny McLain

One last one and I'm out of here......

First, have you actually tuned one and what kind of dyno do you have? Secondary, do you see the cars respond immediately? For reasons I can't figure out using the Cobb AccessPort to tune, see the air/fuel change on the dyno wideband. However, the dyno output does nothing. What's up wud dat? Makes zero sense to me. Plus the car pulls out timing on it's own and after Cobb tuning, it pulls out more mid-range timing. Can that be corrected?

I'm in Dallas so Austin is no big whoop. Being I own an AccessPort, can I make further changes (frankly no more mod plans except gears, so unlikely) using the AccessPort after you tune the car?

Uprev

Well the timing isn't static, and the reason you're seeing the car pull timing so much is probably because the AP is putting too much timing in and the car is hitting detonation, which makes the ECU go into a high det map and pull a bunch of timing.

As far as adjusting it via the AP after you get a real tune on it, thats not going to work as our software works as the ROM on the vehicle. You'd have to pick between one of the two softwares to run.

Denny McLain

Right now the AccessPort is not able to modify timing and the timing maps are stock which makes it even more confusing to me as to why it's pulling out timing.

We seem to have a bit of a disconnect. I'm trying to spend money and live less than three hours away......... do you guys take money? Do you guys have a dyno? Do you guys tune cars?

Didn't make it too complicated did I?

Basically modded out and except for FI, there isn't much that can be done to the car so my last step is a real tune. Let me make it even simpler.....can you tune my car?

Didn't go over your head did I?

theDreamer

Wow, a little pissed off?

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Denny McLain

No. Just trying to figure out if they tune cars or not. Never had anyone in my life do as good of a job of refusing money if they do.

Figured being IT minded, I needed to dumb it down a bit or maybe text it so he understands.

Uprev

No but I get tons of people that want to use our system, and also use some other thing they've already spent money on, and that never works. So I just wanted to be clear that even if it's a piggyback or stand alone, we like to use only our system so that we have the controls we need to make the car safe.

Hit me up in e-mail and we can get everything figured out, ROM files etc to make sure we can get you in soon.

Rich-

Denny McLain

Being I hadn't heard back, the car is going in the body shop this morning to fix the paint were an A-hole grounds crew mowed next to it and out of town on a business trip next week....wanted to make hay while the sun was shining. (really did want to get the car in last week for tuning)

Anyway downloaded the latest version of the Cobb software and spent the afternoon Friday on the dyno mostly tweaking the fuel/air as potential track time is kinda running out this year. Did do a couple of pulls attempting to play with the timing and your absolutely correct about the timing being dynamic.

Really hard to get the pulse of the beast but also appears your correct in that it has a bit too much timing in the midrange and that's causing the computer to go bonkers. Difficult to tune as you put 2 degrees in, it pulls some out. You add two degrees and it pulls some timing out. Plus the overall timing is 3 degrees more than the last log session. In addition, who knows if the Cobb software is working correctly but it did seem to work on air/fuel.

Hey, nothing hard about tuning these things is there.??

1slow370

most good efi systems have adjusted timing. That is why i wish we had programs with the options to change the knock retard rates or the multiple maps, or the coolant temp retard values and the other little things so we could actually have control of the car's ecu.

Denny McLain

With you all the way on that one as it's pretty frustrating to basically have the car do whatever it wants regardless of what you do. Frankly have no clue as to why the timing was so much better except to say it was better (cooler) conditions. What happens when warm weather returns?

1slow370

Software update?