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Motion Lab Tuned Nismo 484whp/400wtq @ 12.5psi w/ Vortech impeller on the Stillen S/C

Originally Posted by gussyturbo z I also have the turbosmart. DO you guys keep it on soft or hard? whats the difference? what is recommended? Recommended setting is based on

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Old 08-24-2013, 10:50 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I also have the turbosmart. DO you guys keep it on soft or hard? whats the difference? what is recommended?
Recommended setting is based on the amount of boost you are setup for and how much vacuum is being produced at idle. If the setting is too soft you will suffer from the Hyundai Genesis syndrome (seemingly making boost at idle/fluttery bov operation). Also the piston may not be able to remain closed at idle. If it's set too hard, the valve will not open enough (or at all in some cases). If this happens you will incur compressor surge.

So basically you want to start at the softest setting and with the car running, turn the tension up a bit passed the point where the piston remains closed at idle. Then have a friend rev the car and make sure that the valve opens during the vacuum fluctuations and you're set.

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Recommended setting is based on the amount of boost you are setup for and how much vacuum is being produced at idle. If the setting is too soft you will suffer from the Hyundai Genesis syndrome (seemingly making boost at idle/fluttery bov operation). Also the piston may not be able to remain closed at idle. If it's set too hard, the valve will not open enough (or at all in some cases). If this happens you will incur compressor surge.

So basically you want to start at the softest setting and with the car running, turn the tension up a bit passed the point where the piston remains closed at idle. Then have a friend rev the car and make sure that the valve opens during the vacuum fluctuations and you're set.

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Ok cool makes some sense but you can't adjust that easy with the stillen kit with out having to take the intake completely off. Also I'm not understanding what compressor surge is either?
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Shop: Motion Lab Tuning
Dyno Type: Dynocom FX5000-AWD
Boost: 12.5psi
Fuel: 93OCT
Target AFR: 11.5:1
SAE Corrections: Default Corrections
Peak HP at RPM: 484whp @ 6500 RPMs
Peak Torque at RPM: 400wtq @ 5750 RPMs
Transmission: Stock 6speed
Gear: 4th
Engine Management: UpRev Osiris tuning suite
Engine/Power Modifications:
  • Stillen supercharger kit w/ Vortech impeller upgrade
  • DW 1000cc injectors
  • DW 320LPH fuel pump
  • GTM Resonated Test Pipes
  • Berk Technology Cat-back exhaust
  • GT-R Spark plugs
  • z1motorsports clutch kit and lightweight flywheel
  • 34Row SETRAB oil cooler w/ custom built lines.
  • Turbosmart BPV


Here are the most resent results from a tuning session we had with the Nismo Z with the Vortech upgraded Stillen supercharger kit. We were loosing boost up on the top end during our last session so we tried to take some steps to make sure we were getting everything we could out of it. We replaced the belt and swapped out to the Turbosmart dualport bpv. Also since the last tuning session we switched to the GTM Resonated test pipes and the Berk Technology dual exhaust. The car sounds absolutely ridiculous now! Our customer Nate was amped up and from checking the forums he said we seem to have helped him create the highest HP supercharged 370z ever posted. The car pulled 484whp and 400wtq on the first pull. The graph looked decent but we continued to clean it up some. After working on it for another hour or so we rolled off the dyno with right around 465whp once the heatsoak took hold, but with a smoother graph and more power in the mid range thanks to the VVEL tuning.


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Hello Alex ...

Thanks for this post ...

I did almost the same thing with a few exceptions :
Most notably was not including the Turbosmart and the catback exhaust.
I have long tube headers instead of the Test Pipes.
I've had the stock Stillen SC'r on the car for 3 years and 30k+ miles.
Sent the SC'r back to Vortech for the complete rebuild.
The motor has 57k miles on it and was driven without malice.

The build was done locally here in NJ by a reputable tech ...

Picked up the car even though it had a few minor issues ... Cold Start which the tech said attributed to the injectors and he could tune out once I had some miles on the car.
Some throttle hunting and a few stalls also were there.

The tune yielded 483 whp and 378 tq @ 11.9 psi


Drove it a couple of hundred easy miles to break everything in ...
Checked the shop guru's to see if it was OK to take it to the drag strip.

Got the Go Ahead.

Arrived at the strip with a plan of running 4 passes making some adjustments along the way ... easing in to a full on pass.

1st pass I hit the rev limiter going in to 3rd ... a new shift light and it needed some adjustment ...

The pass went fairly well --- Until I went thru the traps at the top in 4th and 116mph.

Then I instinctively looked in the rear view mirror as I was about to brake.

Just as I lifted off the accelerator there was that ominous blue cloud of smoke coming from my pipes ...

That was the end of the day and the car is now back in the shop...

I'm looking at a new motor now ... but I still can't figure out what went wrong ... and certainly don't want to have this reoccur ...
The run was video'd by a spectator and it clearly showed the blue smoke AFTER the brakes ... none going down the track.
Search YouTube 370Z & Smoke for the pass ...

I have read many posts before committing to this upgraded build.

Any idea as to why the motor let go AFTER the pass as I lifted off the accelerator ???

Just need to be educated and pointed in the right direction ...

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Hello Alex ...

Thanks for this post ...

I did almost the same thing with a few exceptions :
Most notably was not including the Turbosmart and the catback exhaust.
I have long tube headers instead of the Test Pipes.
I've had the stock Stillen SC'r on the car for 3 years and 30k+ miles.
Sent the SC'r back to Vortech for the complete rebuild.
The motor has 57k miles on it and was driven without malice.

The build was done locally here in NJ by a reputable tech ...

Picked up the car even though it had a few minor issues ... Cold Start which the tech said attributed to the injectors and he could tune out once I had some miles on the car.
Some throttle hunting and a few stalls also were there.

The tune yielded 483 whp and 378 tq @ 11.9 psi


Drove it a couple of hundred easy miles to break everything in ...
Checked the shop guru's to see if it was OK to take it to the drag strip.

Got the Go Ahead.

Arrived at the strip with a plan of running 4 passes making some adjustments along the way ... easing in to a full on pass.

1st pass I hit the rev limiter going in to 3rd ... a new shift light and it needed some adjustment ...

The pass went fairly well --- went thru the traps at the top in 4th and 116mph.

Then I instinctively looked in the rear view mirror as I was about to brake.

Just as I lifted there was that ominous blue cloud of smoke coming from my pipes ...

That was the end of the day and the car is now back in the shop...

I'm looking at a new motor now ... but I still can't figure out what went wrong ... and certainly don't want to have this reoccur ...
The run was video'd by a spectator and it clearly showed the blue smoke AFTER the brakes ... none going down the track.

I have read many posts before committing to this upgraded build.

Any idea as to why the motor let go AFTER the pass as I lifted off the accelerator ???

Just need to be educated and pointed in the right direction ...

Thanks,

Thanks for checking out our work! I'll send you a message here as there is a lot to go over in this post. Talk to you soon!

Thanks,
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Just a heads up for all following this thread ...
Alex at Motion Labs was a supporting force for my build ... a build that wasn't actually done at his shop.
It is an incredible testament to his credibility and concern for all of us 'Z' drivers to say the least.
Sometimes things just don't go according to plan when it comes to custom builds, and I am thankful for his input, experience, and willingness to smooth my ruffled feathers and mop up after a catastrophic failure such as I had experienced...
It says a lot about your character and dedication to us'n fellow enthusiasts!

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Just a heads up for all following this thread ...
Alex at Motion Labs was a supporting force for my build ... a build that wasn't actually done at his shop.
It is an incredible testament to his credibility and concern for all of us 'Z' drivers to say the least.
Sometimes things just don't go according to plan when it comes to custom builds, and I am thankful for his input, experience, and willingness to smooth my ruffled feathers and mop up after a catastrophic failure such as I had experienced...
It says a lot about your character and dedication to us'n fellow enthusiasts!

Hats off to You !!!
Thank you, we are always happy to help a fellow enthusiast! Best of luck with continuing your project! We saw great results out of the Wiseco 9:1 pistons on a Vortech upgraded Stillen supercharged car not long ago. The additional timing in the mid range transformed how the car felt on the road. That combined with some high octane fuel or methanol injection would be pretty awesome! We only did pump gas while he was here so I would love to see results with better fuel!

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Great post with lots of useful information. Awesome work guys
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Great post with lots of useful information. Awesome work guys
NP man, thanks for checking out our results! Just PM me if you have any questions you need help with.

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