EcuTek is proud to announce the release of ProECU Tuning Tools for the Nissan 370Z

370z2013 · 05-25-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKraken22

I love this. visconti does a good job for the GTR. Sounds like this will fix the response of the car. their is a major delay when i step on the patal

Seriously man! I know what you mean

XwChriswX · 05-27-2013, 05:24 PM

When is the expected roll out of the Full ECUTek package with all the features that are reported to make it better than UpRev?

JC671 · 05-27-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

When is the expected roll out of the Full ECUTek package with all the features that are reported to make it better than UpRev?

^this.....

Seems like OP doesn't even want to update his original thread so those jumping in dont have to read tons of pages to find out if the feature they want will be included.

I'm taking the wait and see but if nothing materializes then at least I didn't spend no money.

I dislike half-done software or products with promises of the moon with no end date in tact. For all we know, all these supposed updates could be on the back burner of many tuners business.

(Ex. GTM attempt@GTR manifold lower plenum). It's been years since they said anything about it that ChrusUr already did it. Or VVEL that supposedly is still in the beta phase forever. Only seems like Z1 has success with this..

ECUtek, talks a big game, when will we see dates and a full page of official features. It's like a half-assed grand opening.

Chuck33079 · 05-27-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JC671

ECUtek, talks a big game, when will we see dates and a full page of official features. It's like a half-assed grand opening.

Ecutek is not the op. The op is a shop tuning ecutek. I'm with you on wanting updates, but it's important to make the distinction so people don't get turned off of a product due to an experience with the vendor.

JC671 · 05-27-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Ecutek is not the op. The op is a shop tuning ecutek. I'm with you on wanting updates, but it's important to make the distinction so people don't get turned off of a product due to an experience with the vendor.

Understood Chuck. I'm talking about both the software and the op vendor.

Big promises and supposed features. People want results not promised features with no ETA available or sign of progress.

This release was pre-mature and honestly should not have came out until all the bugs and issues and info was available.

It's basically asking the end user to give up their full tunable feature to take a leap at a software that has no end user use and is totally dependent on a to tuner/shop if any changes need to made without fully knowing what he is getting in to.

Basically a shot in the dart and having a salesman saying trust me we'll get to it after he has your cash your stuck at their timetable mercy.

Chuck33079 · 05-27-2013, 08:41 PM

There has been at least one forum member who took the plunge and he seems to be happy. This is more of an extended beta test than a full rollout. Results will come once all the quirks are worked out. I'm getting impatient too, but it's been great software on other platforms they support.

XwChriswX · 05-27-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

There has been at least one forum member who took the plunge and he seems to be happy. This is more of an extended beta test than a full rollout. Results will come once all the quirks are worked out. I'm getting impatient too, but it's been great software on other platforms they support.

Of course, but that was on a nearly stock Z/ stock tune, no numbers have been released, and it did not encompass all of the features the ECUTek tune is supposed to have to make it better than UpRev.

I am asking because if it is in fact a better product, I want to see the proof in the pudding before I drop another $600 on a tune/license.

I agree that this thread was posted way too early, but I'm hopeful that all of the features they claim to have actually come to fruition and that this isn't something the community spends years waiting for. The things they can do right now only mirror UpRev. The problem for them is that UpRev has already been at it for 3+ years now with reliable tunes running around. I don't really see ECUTek completely re-inventing the wheel on the same basic parameters that you can tune with UpRev right now. So they are basing their "superiority" over UpRev on features that are not fully available right now. That's where I say stop with the hype, and get the product finished then make threads and setup tunes... demonstrating a direct comparison to UpRev and gains. Then they will have to beat people away with a stick trying to get the best tune possible.

Baer383 · 05-27-2013, 10:07 PM

My only comment is Sam tunes with both of these software but everybody he sell his kits to they have Uprev,must be a reason.

V8Killer · 05-28-2013, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JC671

Understood Chuck. I'm talking about both the software and the op vendor.

Big promises and supposed features. People want results not promised features with no ETA available or sign of progress.

This release was pre-mature and honestly should not have came out until all the bugs and issues and info was available.

It's basically asking the end user to give up their full tunable feature to take a leap at a software that has no end user use and is totally dependent on a to tuner/shop if any changes need to made without fully knowing what he is getting in to.

Basically a shot in the dart and having a salesman saying trust me we'll get to it after he has your cash your stuck at their timetable mercy.

I agree man. I am not trying to bash them at all but the results speak for themselves=NONE. One customer, minimal mods, minimal features. How is it that the software is so much more advanced but it is lacking the basics that is offered by UpRev. Your supposed to match your competitor in ever aspect then offer more to pull in the customers. Haven't seen any dyno sheets or videos which I find disturbing. I would like to take the leap but not 1k for something that doesn't promise anything.

JARblue · 05-28-2013, 07:36 AM

Just so you guys know... VVEL tuning is currently available with the EcuTek software. My tuner said he isn't comfortable messing with it unless it's his own vehicle because of the lack of data out there with the product being so new. You guys can moan about lack of results all you want, but until someone in our community is willing to step up and try it, I don't see how you can blame the software or the tuners

Please note that I'm not arguing about anything other than the claims that the EcuTek software only has the same features released as UpRev because that isn't true. There are some features still being developed like map switching and traction control (those are the ones in which I'm interested). I'm waiting on those just like the rest of you...

gomer_110 · 05-28-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Just so you guys know... VVEL tuning is currently available with the EcuTek software. My tuner said he isn't comfortable messing with it unless it's his own vehicle because of the lack of data out there with the product being so new. You guys can moan about lack of results all you want, but until someone in our community is willing to step up and try it, I don't see how you can blame the software or the tuners

Please note that I'm not arguing about anything other than the claims that the EcuTek software only has the same features released as UpRev because that isn't true. There are some features still being developed like map switching and traction control (those are the ones in which I'm interested). I'm waiting on those just like the rest of you...

I've seen the ECUtek software and had the many (and I mean many) tables explained to me by visconti. Since I currently have the tuner version of Uprev I can say for sure there's a lot more in the ECUtek software.

As far as VVEL tuning goes though, it really shouldn't be up to a 370Z owner to risk their car with no assurances that they will get it back in one piece. Considering the fact this is what many (if not most) of us are waiting for before jumping from Uprev to ECUtek I don't think it's too much to ask for them to make verifying VVEL their number one priority. Hell I'd be willing to offer up my car for testing as long as I know I'll get it back with the motor intact. All I want is a guarantee that if they damage the motor (ie valves crashed into the pistons) that they will fix it at no cost to me.

In the end, once VVEL tuning is being done and more importantly tuners aren't "afraid" to do it I'll be jumping from Uprev to ECUtek.

V8Killer · 05-28-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Just so you guys know... VVEL tuning is currently available with the EcuTek software. My tuner said he isn't comfortable messing with it unless it's his own vehicle because of the lack of data out there with the product being so new. You guys can moan about lack of results all you want, but until someone in our community is willing to step up and try it, I don't see how you can blame the software or the tuners

Please note that I'm not arguing about anything other than the claims that the EcuTek software only has the same features released as UpRev because that isn't true. There are some features still being developed like map switching and traction control (those are the ones in which I'm interested). I'm waiting on those just like the rest of you...

Are you sure VVEL or VVL? I am pretty sure there was a previous post where the OP made that correction. I think it's pretty easy to not necessarily blame EcuTek for anything but we can ask for results? How do you say what a product can do if you don't have any proof? Obviously they had to try it on a 370z right? So they had a test car? FI has videos and graphs of there results, hell vacuum commercials will show you how their crap works. So something that costs 1,000.00 and has the potential for immediate gains no results could be posted but they want people to dive in? I don't see what the big hush hush is not to mention with a opening for a product to say "Coming Soon".

gomer_110 · 05-28-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer

Are you sure VVEL or VVL? I am pretty sure there was a previous post where the OP made that correction. I think it's pretty easy to not necessarily blame EcuTek for anything but we can ask for results? How do you say what a product can do if you don't have any proof? Obviously they had to try it on a 370z right? So they had a test car? FI has videos and graphs of there results, hell vacuum commercials will show you how their crap works. So something that costs 1,000.00 and has the potential for immediate gains no results could be posted but they want people to dive in? I don't see what the big hush hush is not to mention with a opening for a product to say "Coming Soon".

VVEL is already in there. I've seen the tables myself.

JARblue · 05-28-2013, 08:35 AM

I thought VVEL was a newer, more advanced version of Nissan's older VVL system... are they not completely different (i.e. the Z has VVEL, not VVL)? I found this info:

( Click to show/hide )

I don't think anyone is expected to drop 1K on top of their existing tune to benchmark this stuff (note that you CAN sell your UpRev license and cable to recoup some costs). However, I was given a pretty good incentive to be a guinea pig. I expect there are other opportunities out there, although I completely understand wanting a guarantee regarding the motor like Gomer was saying.

elperuano · 05-28-2013, 10:49 AM

Glad to see some people have their heads on right.
Just listen to what V8 and Chris have said. That's like business 101. Proof and no talk. That's all that we need. No talk just proof.
The one person who has ECUtek as was stated is almost a stock Z! C'mon.

Let this thread fade until real results. No one is blaming ECUtek for anything but you're not gonna get praised here for bringing NOTHING new yet.

Until proof is there bottom line no one wants to hear what anyone else "saw" or what they can do on other platforms. We only care about 370/G37. That's it.
Surprised to see the supporters when all it's been is pure talk.

05-27-2013, 05:24 PM	#287 (permalink)
XwChriswX WFLYIDNNE Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In The Fastlane Posts: 50,648 Drives: 02 GDB WRX Rep Power: 451	When is the expected roll out of the Full ECUTek package with all the features that are reported to make it better than UpRev? gomer_110 and elperuano like this. __________________ Bonnie - Stage 2, Audio build coming this fall! R.I.P. Abby 3/29/10 - 3/30/14

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	There has been at least one forum member who took the plunge and he seems to be happy. This is more of an extended beta test than a full rollout. Results will come once all the quirks are worked out. I'm getting impatient too, but it's been great software on other platforms they support. JARblue likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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Baer383 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lawrenceville,Ga Posts: 4,293 Drives: My foot up your azz Rep Power: 29	My only comment is Sam tunes with both of these software but everybody he sell his kits to they have Uprev,must be a reason. JC671 likes this. __________________ 2013 ZL1 754 rwhp 747 rwtq

05-28-2013, 07:36 AM	#295 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	Just so you guys know... VVEL tuning is currently available with the EcuTek software. My tuner said he isn't comfortable messing with it unless it's his own vehicle because of the lack of data out there with the product being so new. You guys can moan about lack of results all you want, but until someone in our community is willing to step up and try it, I don't see how you can blame the software or the tuners Please note that I'm not arguing about anything other than the claims that the EcuTek software only has the same features released as UpRev because that isn't true. There are some features still being developed like map switching and traction control (those are the ones in which I'm interested). I'm waiting on those just like the rest of you... Spikuh likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

05-28-2013, 08:35 AM	#299 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	I thought VVEL was a newer, more advanced version of Nissan's older VVL system... are they not completely different (i.e. the Z has VVEL, not VVL)? I found this info: ( Click to show/hide ) Nissan's new VVEL system is a completely different beast from their legacy VVL system. The two are not even in the same zipcode. BMW's Valvtronic is the only other system in the market that operates with the same concept in mind. Type 1 - Nissan VTC/CVTC/EVTC - BMW VANOS - Toyota VVT-i - Porsche Variocam These systems work like adjustable cam sprockets, which allow advancement or retardation of camshaft timing/phasing and subsquently the valve timing/phasing. There's the ability to alter settings in real-time and via infinite steps over a set range. Valve lift cannot be altered with these systems. Type 2 - Honda VTEC - Toyota VVTL-i - Nissan VVL - Mitsubishi MIVEC These systems have the ability to switch between two (three in the case of MIVEC) cam profiles that are optimzed for different conditions. It is therefore possible to alter between discrete sets of valve lift and timing/phasing that are built into each of the available cams profiles. Discrete means the settings are not infinitely variable. Type 3 - Honda i-VTEC - Porsche Variocam Plus This system is litterally the combination of Type 1 and Type 2 systems. Valve timing/phasing is infinitely variable, while valve lift remains one of the two fixed settings (a confine of Type 2 system). Type 4 - Nissan VVEL - BMW Valvetronic These systems have continuous variable control over valve lift (from a mere crack to full stroke open), making standard butterfly throttlebody a virtual obsolescence. When coupled with their respective Type 1 systems they also gain continuous variable valve timing/phasing capability. These are the next generation control systems with FULL ABSOLUTE control over valve activities. Aftermarket camshafts will be all but unecessary because virtually any cam profile can be replicated via simple alteration of two ECU tables. I don't think anyone is expected to drop 1K on top of their existing tune to benchmark this stuff (note that you CAN sell your UpRev license and cable to recoup some costs). However, I was given a pretty good incentive to be a guinea pig. I expect there are other opportunities out there, although I completely understand wanting a guarantee regarding the motor like Gomer was saying. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

05-28-2013, 10:49 AM	#300 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 28	Glad to see some people have their heads on right. Just listen to what V8 and Chris have said. That's like business 101. Proof and no talk. That's all that we need. No talk just proof. The one person who has ECUtek as was stated is almost a stock Z! C'mon. Let this thread fade until real results. No one is blaming ECUtek for anything but you're not gonna get praised here for bringing NOTHING new yet. Until proof is there bottom line no one wants to hear what anyone else "saw" or what they can do on other platforms. We only care about 370/G37. That's it. Surprised to see the supporters when all it's been is pure talk. Baer383, JC671, Sh0velMan and 2 others like this.

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