Be Careful with UpRev in Mass

Vince@R/T · 06-08-2012, 09:06 AM

I would be surprised if Mass fails a car for multiple flash's alone, I would think it would be more so seeing readiness monitors in a (N/A) title instead of a ready title that would raise a flag. Dealers reflash cars all the time to upgrade ECU calibrations. When I worked at a dealer it wouldn't be uncommon to have over a dozen ECU revisions on one ECU part number, so if the inspection station was able to see an ECU was flashed a few times how do they know it just wasn't manufacturer updates that were also possibly done for better emissions....

As far as UPREV is concerned they offer a product to manipulate ECU code to make them tunable, I think that is their #1 priority as that is what sells it. If there is issues with specific states failing the vehicles that are UPREV'd I'm sure they will look into it when time allows.

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 10:15 AM

Vince is 100% right. Infiniti and Nissan have what like 5 TSB's for the TCM and ECU.

agrabau · 06-08-2012, 12:52 PM

Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment.

Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol.

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do.

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by agrabau

Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment.

Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol.

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do.

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

Hey Alex,( Mike) Thanx for the write up. All I can say is when was this changed in protocal? When did you guys try it with you car? I know when I went to get my sticker in Fed, This year I had no issue at all, Stillen SC kit and Stillens UPREV tune. Or is this more for cars that have had sensors tunred off? Like running TP's. Also I'm sure this is something Stillen looked at for their50 State CARB license . I had heard of this before over on EVOM( still member) But it was all guys running big turbos and or no cats, EGR's and what not and had some of the readiness codes shut off to keep from thoughing CEL's. I just find it hard to believe that your car failed, ( STOCK) and I passed with a SC kit and Tune.
IF what you say is true and this changed after I got my sticker, Then all of us that went FI and F'd. I probaly can not even start my car on the stock tune with out blowing in up.

Just to add I think this is the key to your post, "Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass:, But we would we have any readiness code shut off unless we where running something we where not supposed to, Like HFC or NO Cat, Venting to the atmosphere . maybe some one else can chime in?

Vince@R/T · 06-08-2012, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

Not that we are from MA but I am interested in this as a Pro tuner for UPREV. Just to be clear you flashed a vehicle with an UPREV Stock ROM and then performed all the drive cycle's so the all the readiness monitors were completed and it still failed emissions?

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@R/T

Not that we are from MA but I am interested in this as a Pro tuner for UPREV. Just to be clear you flashed a vehicle with an UPREV Stock ROM and then performed all the drive cycle's so the all the readiness monitors were completed and it still failed emissions?

Hey Vince, I'm sure Alex will answer but I would say no, In his post he says "All readiness codes need to be turned on". I sounds like they turned something off, Or did not drive it the proper mileage for the ECU to reset itself. I really think this is hard to beleive, that they are reading the ECU ROM ID? So the UPREV ROM ID is different then right, Or they just unlocked it to change things? Cause to your point before if the dealer flashes a car for the TCM and ECU updates, Then the ROM ID now different and that car would also fail. Now "IF" MA is just getting smarter and looking for Stock codes or switches that have been turned off that would be something different NO?.

cdoxp800 · 06-08-2012, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment.

Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol.

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do.

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

Let me Guess. Rich Called..

seymore4 · 06-08-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdoxp800

Let me Guess. Rich Called..

LMAO!

You know it!

thisishk350 · 06-08-2012, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC

Did you try flashing it with the back to stock rom, driving it a while so the ecu could cycle through the readiness checks, then sending it in for inspection? As a “professional shop that apparently knows more than uprev”, this may be insulting but please bear with me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it.

You’re a F^^^ing idiot to use that as an excuse. The ecu’s that uprev supports only came out in 2003 how do you expect a company to exist before the product they modify was invented??!!!!! Anybody see a starbucks before coffee beans were discovered??? Yeah, didn’t think so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way.

Aftermarket turbo kits are illegal in many states and as a “professional tuning shop with many more years experience than uprev” you should know this very well. This has nothing to do with their product. California could be good example.

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Originally Posted by agrabau

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers

From what we’ve seen in this post you don’t have the qualifications to be a dealer

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user.

As a distributer/dealer you are. Deal with it.

crystalline · 06-11-2012, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

The only thing I find confusing about the information in the entire thread are the statements here. So its being stated that any reflashing will trigger the machine to immediately send the car to MAC to be inspected by the state police. This is quite scary that even if nothing was changed on the car reflashing alone from the stock ECU would send the car to MAC. However, how does the machine determine dealer vs uprev reflashing? Does it have some sort of method or database of every stock ECU so it can compare/determine that there was a non authorized reflash?

Quote:

Originally Posted by agrabau

Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

This is where I am confused. If an all stock car was given an uprev reflash in this test why would the car not be transmitting all readyness codes and all hardware available? If nothing was removed and the car is all stock there is no need to delete CEL codes. I would 100% believe MA has a way to check now for removed/deleted codes and send you to MAC for inspection. But I cant quite understand how if your CEL is off naturaly how/why they would flag you and send you to there.

agrabau · 06-08-2012, 02:00 PM

Hi Mike,

We don't have all the answers, if any. We don't know when it changed exactly. We thought initially that the MAC reference was random but it doesn't seem to be. A customer got back to us and he is connected to the process. He suggested it was an issue with the ROM ID. I don't care to speculate.

We aren't in the business of trying to trick or fool the system to make a few bucks so my (our) investigation has been out of curiosity only. I'd rather stop tuning street cars than get hit with some retarded fine when a customer fails, wants to sue us and then the state comes after us also.

Our decision to tell customers is based on lots of thought and long discussions with our lawyer. Note that on Cobb's Accessport boxes that they read something to the effect of "may not be road legal in your state" We don't want to become a vessel for people who want to pass inspection and skirt the rules. We encourage people to become involved in state politics, vote, call your local rep. The inspection in this state is always changing and is usually a scam so stay educated. Remember the dynos? Remember how the supplying company of the dynos had two sets of software it was selling?

If the customer is educated and wants to deal with inspection or wants to take their car on the track only then we're happy to do it.

forza370z · 05-27-2013, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vividracing

Looks like we're on the same thought process as far as readiness alerts and whatnot. The reason the GTRs pass is because they don't use Uprev... GTRs are tuned with either Cobb or ECUTEK primarily. Also, a lot of GTR owners have the means and/or connections to circumvent emissions laws.

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Originally Posted by Evil Sports

So I called UPrev to see what they would tell me and the guy was a total TOOL. Im not gonna go into it but I really wish there was another company that offered this program, I would buy it from them in a second and Piss on UpRev

Now EcuTek has released their software to tune 370z as well. So here is your another company that offers this program. Not sure if EcuTek will pass the Mass inspection or not.

EcuTek is proud to announce the release of ProECU Tuning Tools for the Nissan 370Z

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 03:05 PM

Alex you post alsos sounds like you guys are not going to be flashing anymore cars?

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 08:58 PM

The reply above ahs some of the funniest things I have ever saw. LOL Thanx man.The coffee
bean one was GREAT. But you make a lot of sense.

Evil Sports · 06-09-2012, 07:24 AM

Funny or flat out Sad. I had hoped to get some insight here not a bunch of sniping bitches second guessing actual facts.

06-08-2012, 09:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Vince@R/T Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lansdale PA Posts: 87 Drives: 99 GS400 Rep Power: 15	I would be surprised if Mass fails a car for multiple flash's alone, I would think it would be more so seeing readiness monitors in a (N/A) title instead of a ready title that would raise a flag. Dealers reflash cars all the time to upgrade ECU calibrations. When I worked at a dealer it wouldn't be uncommon to have over a dozen ECU revisions on one ECU part number, so if the inspection station was able to see an ECU was flashed a few times how do they know it just wasn't manufacturer updates that were also possibly done for better emissions.... As far as UPREV is concerned they offer a product to manipulate ECU code to make them tunable, I think that is their #1 priority as that is what sells it. If there is issues with specific states failing the vehicles that are UPREV'd I'm sure they will look into it when time allows. WI_Hedgehog likes this.

06-08-2012, 10:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	Vince is 100% right. Infiniti and Nissan have what like 5 TSB's for the TCM and ECU. WI_Hedgehog likes this. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-08-2012, 12:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
agrabau Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Boston Posts: 3 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 14	Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment. Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others. We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC. We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol. UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do. Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous. All readyness codes must be set All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available. This seems to be something that they don't understand. WI_Hedgehog likes this.

06-08-2012, 02:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
agrabau Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Boston Posts: 3 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 14	Hi Mike, We don't have all the answers, if any. We don't know when it changed exactly. We thought initially that the MAC reference was random but it doesn't seem to be. A customer got back to us and he is connected to the process. He suggested it was an issue with the ROM ID. I don't care to speculate. We aren't in the business of trying to trick or fool the system to make a few bucks so my (our) investigation has been out of curiosity only. I'd rather stop tuning street cars than get hit with some retarded fine when a customer fails, wants to sue us and then the state comes after us also. Our decision to tell customers is based on lots of thought and long discussions with our lawyer. Note that on Cobb's Accessport boxes that they read something to the effect of "may not be road legal in your state" We don't want to become a vessel for people who want to pass inspection and skirt the rules. We encourage people to become involved in state politics, vote, call your local rep. The inspection in this state is always changing and is usually a scam so stay educated. Remember the dynos? Remember how the supplying company of the dynos had two sets of software it was selling? If the customer is educated and wants to deal with inspection or wants to take their car on the track only then we're happy to do it. WI_Hedgehog likes this.

06-08-2012, 03:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	Alex you post alsos sounds like you guys are not going to be flashing anymore cars? __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-08-2012, 08:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	The reply above ahs some of the funniest things I have ever saw. LOL Thanx man.The coffee bean one was GREAT. But you make a lot of sense. coop370z likes this. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-09-2012, 07:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
Evil Sports Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mass Posts: 187 Drives: 11-370z-Blue-M6-ST Rep Power: 15	Funny or flat out Sad. I had hoped to get some insight here not a bunch of sniping bitches second guessing actual facts. WI_Hedgehog likes this. __________________ My current Rice stable, Lexus RX 330, Nissan 370z, Honda Aquatrax turbo, Yamaha 212SS

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