Is the Z faster then it's given credit for?

Methodical4u · 12-14-2011, 09:54 PM

well like I had said, I was curious about thoughts on ... I don't know how to explain it.

If a modded Z runs lets say (without gears) 12.7 or so, that's pretty good IMO, but for instance, it's not hard to get an Evo or an STI there pretty easily. Stock for stock the 335i is about even in the acceleration area (just from what i've read) handling it actually seems to do better.

For me, I just loved having that little extra safety feeling of AWD, but the Z is a drivers car and I feel a lot more comfortable with it then I did at first since I had not owned a RWD car since I was 18 ... and i'm 33 now.

Some people don't consider it a "fast" car in the 1/4. Some consider it to be just be decent on a road course type setting. However, against it's competitors in the real world, where does it rank?

m4a1mustang · 12-15-2011, 06:28 AM

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However, against it's competitors in the real world, where does it rank?

It holds its own. I think from the most objective view possible, it's probably under-rated in terms of acceleration (on a good day the 7AT stock can dip into the 12s and the 6MT can be pretty quick with a good driver) and overestimated in terms of handling.

It's tough to give it a rank because there is too much performance car competition in the sub 40k space. Ultimately I think if you are looking for a two-seat sports car with some power behind it, the 370 is probably the best buy on the market right now.

After all I ended up buying one instead of a Cayman S, which I was 100% ready and able to buy. It's a solid car.

370Zsteve · 12-16-2011, 11:59 AM

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After all I ended up buying one instead of a used Cayman S, which I was 100% ready and able to buy. It's a solid car.

Fix'd

m4a1mustang · 12-16-2011, 12:04 PM

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Fix'd

Are you implying that I couldn't afford a new Cayman S?

370Zsteve · 12-16-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Are you implying that I couldn't afford a new Cayman S?

Hell, no. I'm implying that you talked to a Cayman S owner right after his 10K service bill

Skeeterbop · 12-14-2011, 11:05 PM

I would say it is a quick car. It fairs well in acceleration and does very well for itself in handling. All this argument over the torque curve seems silly to me. yes 220lb/ft of torque doesn't seem like much, but in our cars it is very deceptive. the torque curve looks flatter than any gasoline or diesel engine I have ever seen. You never get that strong shove in the seat but it definitely gets moving very quickly. Also if your in second doing 10 mph, you probably aren't driving it too hard, so I don't see the issue here. Maybe they could have made a tune available for those that wanted the shove in the seats, just neuter the low rpm band and let it get to normal in the middle of it.

m4a1mustang · 12-15-2011, 06:31 AM

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I would say it is a quick car. It fairs well in acceleration and does very well for itself in handling. All this argument over the torque curve seems silly to me. yes 220lb/ft of torque doesn't seem like much, but in our cars it is very deceptive. the torque curve looks flatter than any gasoline or diesel engine I have ever seen. You never get that strong shove in the seat but it definitely gets moving very quickly. Also if your in second doing 10 mph, you probably aren't driving it too hard, so I don't see the issue here. Maybe they could have made a tune available for those that wanted the shove in the seats, just neuter the low rpm band and let it get to normal in the middle of it.

Well, you're in a normal driving situation at that point. No one just cruises at low speed in 1st gear (at least they shouldn't).

Unfortunately with the Z, even though it makes say 220 lb-ft at 2,000 RPM, it's only got something like 160hp at that point pulling it along. If you really want to get a move on you better be at 4k or above. Which is fine. It takes some adjustment to learn to drive that way (program a downshift into the brain when you want to move)... but some people (myself included) prefer a car with usable power at any RPM above 0.

That's for street driving of course. On the track where you are winding it out all the time I am not concerned with how much hp/torque I am making at 2-3-4k even... because I'll be up at the top of the power band almost 100% of the time.

370Zsteve · 12-16-2011, 12:07 PM

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Well, you're in a normal driving situation at that point. No one just cruises at low speed in 1st gear (at least they shouldn't).

Unfortunately with the Z, even though it makes say 220 lb-ft at 2,000 RPM, it's only got something like 160hp at that point pulling it along. If you really want to get a move on you better be at 4k or above. Which is fine. It takes some adjustment to learn to drive that way (program a downshift into the brain when you want to move)... but some people (myself included) prefer a car with usable power at any RPM above 0.

That's for street driving of course. On the track where you are winding it out all the time I am not concerned with how much hp/torque I am making at 2-3-4k even... because I'll be up at the top of the power band almost 100% of the time.

Some of you 4-wheel biotches need to be spanked now and then.

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370Zsteve · 12-16-2011, 12:10 PM

Pure 2-cylinder madness.

Methodical4u · 12-14-2011, 11:33 PM

My ART pipes pushed me back in the seat pretty well when I installed them, just by themselves.

m4a1mustang · 12-16-2011, 12:11 PM

How are motorcycles relevant to this thread?

370Zsteve · 12-16-2011, 12:19 PM

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How are motorcycles relevant to this thread?

Honestly? I made a dude in a black 911 Turbo cry like a schoolgirl last week on the I-95 Exit 4 on-ramp. Not one to usually do this ****, but he had a CBE that was quite loud and he pulled up next to me at a stoplight and wouldn't stop revving his motor. Ever see that Xerox commercial with the guy in the wind tunnel when he looks over at the bean counter who just asked him to translate 300 pages into Portugeuse by tomorrow morning? That was the last thing the Turbo owner saw.

m4a1mustang · 12-16-2011, 12:24 PM

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Honestly? I made a dude in a black 911 Turbo cry like a schoolgirl last week on the I-95 Exit 4 on-ramp. Not one to usually do this ****, but he had a CBE that was quite loud and he pulled up next to me at a stoplight and wouldn't stop revving his motor. Ever see that Xerox commercial with the guy in the wind tunnel when he looks over at the bean counter who just asked him to translate 300 pages into Portugeuse by tomorrow morning? That was the last thing the Turbo owner saw.

Yeah, I mean we're talking about cars. I just don't get what the point of bringing up the bikes is? (Almost) everyone knows how fast bikes are.

370Zsteve · 12-16-2011, 12:31 PM

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Yeah, I mean we're talking about cars. I just don't get what the point of bringing up the bikes is? (Almost) everyone knows how fast bikes are.

(Almost) made me

well there is one more Porsche owner on the planet, anyway.

Methodical4u · 12-16-2011, 12:50 PM

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Yeah, I mean we're talking about cars. I just don't get what the point of bringing up the bikes is? (Almost) everyone knows how fast bikes are.

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12-14-2011, 11:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
Skeeterbop A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,440 Drives: 2011 GM 370 base SP Rep Power: 17	I would say it is a quick car. It fairs well in acceleration and does very well for itself in handling. All this argument over the torque curve seems silly to me. yes 220lb/ft of torque doesn't seem like much, but in our cars it is very deceptive. the torque curve looks flatter than any gasoline or diesel engine I have ever seen. You never get that strong shove in the seat but it definitely gets moving very quickly. Also if your in second doing 10 mph, you probably aren't driving it too hard, so I don't see the issue here. Maybe they could have made a tune available for those that wanted the shove in the seats, just neuter the low rpm band and let it get to normal in the middle of it. __________________ Srenity: "Yeah no rest needed to spread the love when your 20 that's for sure...."

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370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Pure 2-cylinder madness. __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

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12-14-2011, 09:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 17	well like I had said, I was curious about thoughts on ... I don't know how to explain it. If a modded Z runs lets say (without gears) 12.7 or so, that's pretty good IMO, but for instance, it's not hard to get an Evo or an STI there pretty easily. Stock for stock the 335i is about even in the acceleration area (just from what i've read) handling it actually seems to do better. For me, I just loved having that little extra safety feeling of AWD, but the Z is a drivers car and I feel a lot more comfortable with it then I did at first since I had not owned a RWD car since I was 18 ... and i'm 33 now. Some people don't consider it a "fast" car in the 1/4. Some consider it to be just be decent on a road course type setting. However, against it's competitors in the real world, where does it rank?

12-14-2011, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 17	My ART pipes pushed me back in the seat pretty well when I installed them, just by themselves.