Is the Z faster then it's given credit for?

Jeffblue · 12-12-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I know what you are saying, its just not making sense. My z06 is very docile at low rpm in high gears, too. Of course an fi car feels different from an na car. Noone races from 2nd gear at 10mph, though. You might as well complain that the car sucks because it doesn't have a third row seat and a trailer hitch. Drive it how it was intended and it will be fine. As a side note, my friend says the 2009 shelby cobra he drive felt faster around town than my z06. I don't worry about 09 shelbys much, though. Of course, I have not raced one in 2nd gear from 10mph, either, so its superior low end is lost on me. As far as I know, this thread is about racing and maximum performance type driving, not how hard/easy it is to lug the vq series engine.

I wasn't talking about racing from 2nd gear at 10mph. you brought up the idea of having a useful powerband.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Still, the powerband is very useful. Much moreso than peak dyno numbers suggest. the car reminds me of my fbody/ls1 car in how it applies power.

as far as im concerned, a useful powerband implies how a car feels in normal driving, not balls to the wall WOT pulls. when you step on the gas in the 370z at low RPM it is very, very tame. idk about you, but when i think of a 'useful' powerband, i think of how the car feels and responds in the useful rpm range. a car with power in the 'useful' range, which is really more between 3-5k rpm, will feel fast without having to beat the snot out of the car. the 370z isn't fast unless you drive it very hard. the 370z does have 332bhp but you can't USE it unless you are in the high rpms and basically say 'hey i wanna drive fast now.' that doesn't seem 'useful' to me

your point about tow hitches etc is totally irrelevant to what we are talking about.

ImportConvert · 12-12-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

I wasn't talking about racing from 2nd gear at 10mph. you brought up the idea of having a useful powerband.

as far as im concerned, a useful powerband implies how a car feels in normal driving, not balls to the wall WOT pulls. when you step on the gas in the 370z at low RPM it is very, very tame. idk about you, but when i think of a 'useful' powerband, i think of how the car feels and responds in the useful rpm range. a car with power in the 'useful' range, which is really more between 3-5k rpm, will feel fast without having to beat the snot out of the car. the 370z isn't fast unless you drive it very hard. the 370z does have 332bhp but you can't USE it unless you are in the high rpms and basically say 'hey i wanna drive fast now.' that doesn't seem 'useful' to me

your point about tow hitches etc is totally irrelevant to what we are talking about.

BMW offers the 335 with a diesel. I think you know what to do...

Jeffblue · 12-12-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

BMW offers the 335 with a diesel. I think you know what to do...

i thought we were talking about the 370z... have you nothing to say about the points i made?

christian370z · 12-12-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Cars with flat tq curves feel a lot slower than they are. Go race your 335 and compare. Second at 15mph in your z shouldn't be that bad. I found the car very livable at lower rpm. It gets nearly max torque at less than 2500rpm for crying out loud.

I'd rather have a car that is faster than it feels than one that feels faster than it is.

danny370z777 · 12-12-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z

I'd rather have a car that is faster than it feels than one that feels faster than it is.

ImportConvert · 12-12-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i thought we were talking about the 370z... have you nothing to say about the points i made?

Yes, its just as fast as a 346ci v8 vette. It likes to rev. Rev it. You want low rpm power, go get a muscle car with a 455 or the like. Modern engines handle high rpm just fine. I have a 427 that can see 7000 rpm, and has a 100k mile warranty. If it takes a few revs, do it to it. I'm just not seeing the issue. Hold your gears a touch longer and your problem goes away. My g20 sees 4500rpm or better on most gear changes. Engine has done fine.

toxik · 12-13-2011, 02:55 PM

fly like a g20

toxik · 12-13-2011, 02:59 PM

ImportConvert · 12-13-2011, 07:06 PM

Jesus. Every time I remove you from the iggylist I get dumber for it. Back on it.

toxik · 12-13-2011, 07:13 PM

haha yesssssss

b1adesofcha0s · 12-13-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Jesus. Every time I remove you from the iggylist I get dumber for it. Back on it.

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Originally Posted by toxik

haha yesssssss

Methodical4u · 12-13-2011, 10:10 PM

Honestly as i've said before I don't get on my car much and when I do it's not to redline.. but with the exhaust and the tp's it's a very cool feeling having the car just keep on pulling way into the rpm's.

For the guys who have moved their redline to 8100, does the car pull all the way up to that?

Red__Zed · 12-13-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

Honestly as i've said before I don't get on my car much and when I do it's not to redline.. but with the exhaust and the tp's it's a very cool feeling having the car just keep on pulling way into the rpm's.

For the guys who have moved their redline to 8100, does the car pull all the way up to that?

Methodical4u · 12-13-2011, 11:40 PM

hmmm... doesn't look like it huh? lol

ImportConvert · 12-14-2011, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

hmmm... doesn't look like it huh? lol

Most cars look like that, but it's better, even if it's not consistently climbing until the end, because the rpms fall to a happier place after the shift than they would before. It may not improve maximum hp, but it certainly improves average hp, over the course of any distance such as the 1/4 mile.

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	Jesus. Every time I remove you from the iggylist I get dumber for it. Back on it.

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Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 15	Honestly as i've said before I don't get on my car much and when I do it's not to redline.. but with the exhaust and the tp's it's a very cool feeling having the car just keep on pulling way into the rpm's. For the guys who have moved their redline to 8100, does the car pull all the way up to that?

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