Need some help for a Z vs 2000 Camaro showdown
 

Alright guys this is the thing. My buddy has a 2000 camaro with exhaust and a cam. The car is expected to have 380-400whp. His car is expected to be a mid 12 sec car. Now his launches average 2.2 and up for his 60fter. His car is about 200lbs heavier than my vehicle stock. The big factor, my buddy is 400lbs himself.

Now to my car. As of right now my baseline dyno is 285whp stock. Parts that will be installed are F.I. LTH, TDX CBE 18"resonators, Stillen UD pulley, oil cooler, g3 intake, NST overdrive alternator pulley, JWT clutch and flywheel combo. Tires are going to be RE-11's. 265/35F 285/25R on 19"Rays. Now as of about 3 weeks ago I am down to 180. The aftermarket parts will drop about 48lbs off the car. My 60fters are not the best either seeing as I have only driven at the track twice ever in my life. I think my best was a 2.1

I know I have an uphill battle but am I missing anything to help me out in this situation?

/\ turbos or a S/c. j/k, well not really but if you want to make it more competitive/really increase your odds of winning, get the 4.08 gears. Sounds like you've got all the bolt on mods done. With an equal 60ft, and with what you've listed, I think it could go either way with an edge going to your friend honestly.

Ya I feel the edge obviously is in his favor but with the weight difference he is heavier. Right now he is sitting 600lbs heavier than me so I am hoping that plays into my favor.

good luck man, and let us know how it goes. :tup:

Drag Radials will cut .5 off your time most likely... Thats your best shot... You sure he has 380-400 though?

No it is a rough estimate. I am not sure if he will dyno it. The guy he bought it from had two other modifications done to the vehicle but took them off so I am unsure and this is a number that my buddy and I came up with. My buddy is been in the car business for a few years and said he feels 370 out of the car and from driving it a mid 12 car. He said if I can get a good launch he won't be able to catch up. Right now I am looking at a nitrous kit. We will see what happens.

He can "feel" 370? Can he come butt-dyno tune my car for me?

LOL Ya maybe, I know it sounds crazy but he has been in the racing scene for a long time and is usually on the money. I should make some money off him :tup:

Race him yet? Just do it. From a dig who ever launches better will win. But all things equal I say ull have a good shot at walking him.

But I say this going by my Zs speed. Not sure how quick stock Ish Zs are, mine wasn't stock for long. I forget haha

Hey Chuck,

Nope not yet. I am still in Afghanistan. I get home mid Sept. The first weekend I am home we are going to the track so that gives me 3 days till the weekend to get used to driving my car with all the new mods. Does your Z have similar mods that mine will have shortly? For some reason I feel like I will walk him but I don't want to think that I like being the underdog.

I have just about every na bolt on and 4.08 fd

Yea I dont think he is making 380-400whp with just those mods. Your gonna get your Z Tuned as well correct?

O ya it will be tuned properly. I mean his other 2000SS was weak sauce with full bolt ons. Then again I dunno a cam can make a hell of a difference in those cars. I will say this his weight has to make a difference. His other 2000 SS was about 350whp and tq. I think the best he could do was a 13.4. When my buddy Jamie jumped in he got a 12.9. I am sure he had a decent 60fter too.

red6spd he will most def make those numbers w that motor. those motors are crazy. my buddy has one in his 89 GTA they sell a kit thats heads and a cam and the car make around 550 rwhp (proven all over f-body forums and magizines), they are about 300rwhp stock.

As a referance to the OP. I did a run w a 2010 camaro SS (dont know if it was a stick or auto) and i took him by about maybe 2 cars? in a little over a 1/4 mile. on paper those cars are faster.

Your buddies BIGGEST problem is hooking up. I had a 95 Firebird that put around 350 to the wheels and i could barely get it to hook up with nitto DR and a some susp work, Shocks, springs, LCA, LCA relocators, and other ods and ends. His car also weights 400lbs more stock for stock. I think it should be a good race. If he hooks youll have a problem if he spins half of first gear or has a bad lanuch u got him. just my $.02

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LS1's will easily be in that range with cam and boltons.

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Ya I think that is what it will boil down too is launch. If I can just get a better 60fter than him I might be able to pull this one off. He did mention to me that he wanted to get a new rear end but he can't afford to do that right now. I'll def. post the results when this happens should be Sept. 17th when we all go to the track.

Your race with the 2010 SS mods for either car?

In for results. Make a video for us if you can.

Also, you were probably planning on it already, but I would remove as much weight as possible (passanger seat, spare tire etc.). You could also try fattening up your friend more before the race :icon17:

ha, no, Import Convert, one of our members on here who currently drives a Z06, used to ahve a trans am ws6 and he's very quick to regale all of us, whether we want to hear it or not, of stories about it. It's kindof a running joke in some other threads. :tiphat:

Shuck any extra weight you have, get rid of the spare, jack, tow hook, lug wrench. No need for a full tank of gas. That is probably 80 pounds counting the gas weight if you run half a tank.

Ya video is def. gonna happen. I am not taking out the seat LOL I'll do the spare and stuff but that is about it. As far as my friend, well my buddies have told me he has gotten bigger since I left so ya he is doing just fine :tup:

LOL Could you direct me to any threads where I can see some stories?

Ya I was thinking about doing all that before I head to the track. I was thinking about doing 3/4 of a tank b/c its like a 60 mile drive one way to the track. Do you think I will run into that fuel cut off that everyone rants about though? Anybody know anything about the stoptech slotted/drilled rotors? I was thinking of getting some and I would assume they are lighter than stock.

v8Killer,
Honestly man, I think if you really really want to whoop some a$$, then just pony up for the 4.08 gears. It'll give you approx. 10% better acceleration in every gear. JNaut's run 12.2xx or something like that with full bolt ons and those gears (on street tires) so they def make a significant difference. If you're gonna go all out anyway, I'd just drop them in along with a good LSD. :tup:

That sounds good but how would that affect my car being a daily driver? I haven't don't any research on where to start for purchase on the 4.08, and I believe everyone is talking about the quiafe lsd and having to order some other parts from nissan when doing the replacement.

There's a couple thread's on here about the 4.08s. I'd just pm JNaut and ask him personnaly. You can pick up the gears and install kit from a couple places, it's just OEM manual trans frontier pickup gears so they're not outragously expensive or hard to source. Z1 Motorsports is the first place the pops into my head since I've looked at their website. They also carry the quaife lsd and install kits too. Pretty much any aftermarket install for an lsd will require some extras. I'm not an expert on that particualr issue but sometimes shims are needed to get everything to line up, also depending on the carrier, you might need half shafts I believe. I'd give Z1 a call or email and see what they tell you.

As far as affecting driveability, I can't tell you first hand, since I don't have them but they will shorten first gear so some folks aren't very comfortable with that. Also, highway cruzing rpms will rise by around 300 rpms. I've seen soem folks say that the synchro rev match is a little bit off with them, and then others have said not really so it could be an issue if you use that feature. There's also 3.90 gears as well which I think Zat Zuma, a member on here went to after not being satisified with the daily drivability of the 4.08s. (don't quote me on that, though, I might have his name mixed up w/someone else).

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Thanks for all the info man. Ya I do remember reading something about the 3.9 gears ill have to do some research and send out some pms hopefully the cost wont be too great for all this.

What RPM's are you launching at?

Well I have only been to the track twice, and I think I was doing about 3200 why?

I haven't launched mine yet haven't got a chance to mess around with her yet

Alright guys, I am just bumping my thread to give you guys an update. I will be home and going to the track in 9days this even will be going down. I bought some DR's from from chuck here on the forum and they should be at my house before we go to the track. I found out that my buddies car dynoed 373whp. I am hoping for 330 but we will see. Stay tuned and I will post videos and slips for results once I get back that night from the track.

Congrats on going home! The DR's plus the weight advantage should do a lot to make up for his extra power. Can't wait to see the video, and :tup: for going to the track.

Ya hopefully it works out in my favor, he hasn't tracked his car yet b/c he wants to wait till I get home to see what it does.

Are you gonna have a chance to do some practice runs? Your car is gonna be very different. We're all rooting for you. Have a safe trip home.

I am just going to have most of the day on Friday till about 5pm so I'll have to go on some back roads. That is about as much practice I can get before I head to the track. Thanks for the vote of confidence :tup:

agree there! 380-400 whp is REALLLYYYYY stretching it on the power. I don't think with just an exhaust and a cam he is pushing that much AT ALL! He doesn't have any other mods besides that? IMO that's just not going to get a 2000 Camaro to that hp level.

Dont know if this has been covered, but obviously pull the spare and any other small weight advantages you can get. The RE-11's are a great tire... not sure for drag how good they are though.

oh yeah, if you're looking for every small bit of power, you could always run 0-30 oil as well. I do.... won't add a great deal of power, but every little bit helps right?

you saw it dyno'd at 373, right?

No, I actually didn't read the whole thread... hard to believe that with an exhaust an a cam it would pull that much hp though. If his friend's car is 200 lbs more and he himself is a rather large 400 lbs though even with the 40 or 50 hp he may have on him may not be enough to overcome that amount of extra weight. I would say it would be a rather close race. Was his friends a MT or AT?