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Methodical4u 09-13-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1310620)
If I lose the race no biggie but I can tell you that when you come over you will lose at beer pong lol

I think if you lose a road course should be next :tup:

andre12031948 09-13-2011 05:16 PM

My prediction
 
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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1310620)
If I lose the race no biggie but I can tell you that when you come over you will lose at beer pong lol

I know the race is for fun, so please take my prediction as also in fun.

After listening to the camaro, & watching him drive & excelerate, & reading how you're not sure of yourself/needing practice driving, my prediction(sorry)is, he'll beat you by 5/6 car lenghts. :stirthepot:

sorry.....

DTHPROOF 09-13-2011 07:38 PM

:) I have NOTHING for it on a road course. lol Thanks Andre.

V8Killer 09-13-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 1311515)
I know the race is for fun, so please take my prediction as also in fun.

After listening to the camaro, & watching him drive & excelerate, & reading how you're not sure of yourself/needing practice driving, my prediction(sorry)is, he'll beat you by 5/6 car lenghts. :stirthepot:

sorry.....

Ouch!!:shakes head: That is a harsh prediction. I hope I prove you wrong:tup:

andre12031948 09-13-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1311839)
Ouch!!:shakes head: That is a harsh prediction. I hope I prove you wrong:tup:

You're coming home. You'll spend time with your girl. Win! Win! Two out of three is not bad:)

A little editing was called for.

V8Killer 09-13-2011 09:15 PM

LOL ya I guess it's a win but I really do miss my car very much. I can't wait to hear how it sounds in person. I think the 1st time I go to the track is gonna be bad anyway with the limited time of getting used to my car but the following week will hold better times.

DTHPROOF 09-13-2011 09:35 PM

:ughdance: You'll get there bud. :driving:

Methodical4u 09-13-2011 10:48 PM

It's unfortunate that an NA 370 isn't really a 1/4 mile car... but people have managed pretty good times for us to be talking about a V6 vs. a V8 both cars with mods. Stock for stock the Z wins with any sort of decent driver though.. which to me is more impressive.

scarface364 09-14-2011 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1312107)
It's unfortunate that an NA 370 isn't really a 1/4 mile car... but people have managed pretty good times for us to be talking about a V6 vs. a V8 both cars with mods. Stock for stock the Z wins with any sort of decent driver though.. which to me is more impressive.

yeah the z is impressive but in the end there is no replacement for displacement... After I solved my traction issue with my stock 06 GTO the z wasnt much of a threat.

True story, Ryan has the vids but he needs to post them! I had to screw with ya buddy :rofl2:

V8Killer 09-14-2011 06:21 AM

They are upside down and we can't figure out why it wont load remember?

DTHPROOF 09-14-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1312107)
It's unfortunate that an NA 370 isn't really a 1/4 mile car... but people have managed pretty good times for us to be talking about a V6 vs. a V8 both cars with mods. Stock for stock the Z wins with any sort of decent driver though.. which to me is more impressive.

I don't know about stock Z's being faster than stock LS1's. I know there are factory freaks from every brand but generally 6 speed ls1's put down 305-320rwhp bone stock. My last 2000 SS was 100% stock when I bought it with 70k miles and I put down 307/331. A set of headers (longtubes), cat-back, and intake and it put down 355/360 on 2 different dyno's a few months apart. The Z's are impressive, but stock for stock it's not what you think.

GZ3 09-14-2011 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHPROOF (Post 1313132)
I don't know about stock Z's being faster than stock LS1's. I know there are factory freaks from every brand but generally 6 speed ls1's put down 305-320rwhp bone stock. My last 2000 SS was 100% stock when I bought it with 70k miles and I put down 307/331. A set of headers (longtubes), cat-back, and intake and it put down 355/360 on 2 different dyno's a few months apart. The Z's are impressive, but stock for stock it's not what you think.

IDK...stock ls1 vs stock Z is pretty evenly match...when i had my 370z i would run a few of my friends stock ls1 at track days and it was almost identical outcomes, dig or roll...only problem is when the LS mods its game over h/c LS1 is nasty

Methodical4u 09-14-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHPROOF (Post 1313132)
I don't know about stock Z's being faster than stock LS1's. I know there are factory freaks from every brand but generally 6 speed ls1's put down 305-320rwhp bone stock. My last 2000 SS was 100% stock when I bought it with 70k miles and I put down 307/331. A set of headers (longtubes), cat-back, and intake and it put down 355/360 on 2 different dyno's a few months apart. The Z's are impressive, but stock for stock it's not what you think.

based soley on numbers and not driver the LS1 has less hp stock than a Z 320 vs. 332 ... the torque is much higher with the V8 obviously.

The 1/4 specs are approximately 13.7... most people would don't drive all that great can muster a 13.7 with a Z and then we have the few with high 12 and low 13 second passes... you also have to factor in the weight of each with the Z being about 150-200 lbs lighter or so I guess?

DTHPROOF 09-14-2011 07:03 PM

The ls1 is rated 325 but usually puts that down to the tires. My friend's stock 02 ss went 12.6 @109 stock to the paper air filter. My SS went 12.9 @109 (2.1 60') and the op's 370 went 13.6 @105. I'm not dogging the VQ by any means (this is your site after all) I'm just speaking from my experience. Stay tuned guys; race is in 2 days and his 370 got tuned this morning.

LinPark 09-15-2011 09:23 PM

Kinda quiet in here ... guess he's in the sack. :inoutroflpuke:

Methodical4u 09-15-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LinPark (Post 1315327)
Kinda quiet in here ... guess he's in the sack. :inoutroflpuke:

he's doing what with his sack? :nutswinger:

Methodical4u 09-15-2011 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1312297)
They are upside down and we can't figure out why it wont load remember?

most of us are on laptops... we can turn them upside down ... post them up.

V8Killer 09-16-2011 12:44 AM

Hey guys just an update. I am home and all the mods to my car respond very well and she rips. Issue is when my buddies took the car out the best they can do is 305 after the tune. I don't have the dyno sheet in front of me at the moment. The race is tomorrow though. My buddies talked to the speed shop and they said every time they tried to change the timing the computer would change it back. I am assuming that has to do with cracking the VVEL.

V8Killer 09-16-2011 12:50 AM

National Speed: Ryan's 2009 Nissan 370Z - 306.43whp/254.78ftlbs... - YouTube

Methodical4u 09-16-2011 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1315558)
Hey guys just an update. I am home and all the mods to my car respond very well and she rips. Issue is when my buddies took the car out the best they can do is 305 after the tune. I don't have the dyno sheet in front of me at the moment. The race is tomorrow though. My buddies talked to the speed shop and they said every time they tried to change the timing the computer would change it back. I am assuming that has to do with cracking the VVEL.

Perhaps the dyno just reads lower than others.

Methodical4u 09-16-2011 12:59 AM

no one has cracked the VVEL yet as far as I know... are they experienced with Z's?

V8Killer 09-16-2011 01:09 AM

Ya they have done a few Z's already and they said that this is the norm. for our car b/c of the timing issue. I mean she rips down low I haven't gotten on her too much yet tomorrow will be the final test when I take her to the track. As soon as I found out who/where the dyno sheet I'll post it up. From what I have seen on the site though, our car isn't very good on numbers but still produces on the track so I am shooting for a 12.7

Methodical4u 09-16-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1315582)
Ya they have done a few Z's already and they said that this is the norm. for our car b/c of the timing issue. I mean she rips down low I haven't gotten on her too much yet tomorrow will be the final test when I take her to the track. As soon as I found out who/where the dyno sheet I'll post it up. From what I have seen on the site though, our car isn't very good on numbers but still produces on the track so I am shooting for a 12.7

That seems quite reasonable... obviously the fastest time was 12.24, but that was with 4.08 gears and i'm not sure what other mods he had that you don't.. maybe none? Idk, but with a really good launch and great track conditions maybe a 12.5 would even be possible?

Are you all doing several runs against each other or just a little warming up and then just a single race?

280z/300zx 09-16-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHPROOF (Post 1313517)
The ls1 is rated 325 but usually puts that down to the tires. My friend's stock 02 ss went 12.6 @109 stock to the paper air filter. My SS went 12.9 @109 (2.1 60') and the op's 370 went 13.6 @105. I'm not dogging the VQ by any means (this is your site after all) I'm just speaking from my experience. Stay tuned guys; race is in 2 days and his 370 got tuned this morning.


I would fully agree with this although 12.6 seems a bit optimistic. The Camaro and TransAm where severly under-rated from factory. It's actually accepted that these cars came with 350hp or more at the crank with the factory. As quoted I've seen stock LS1's put down 310-320hp AT THE WHEELS. Most I've seen at the track run 13.3-13.5 in stockish form (at this age of car tires and wheels are changed on most of them). In my experience the LS1 is quite capable of hanging with if not beating a Z, but it will come down to the driver and track. The better the track prep and better the driver the better the LS1 will do. From a roll I would say it's even to about 100mph and after that the Z starts to walk away slowly; I won't say how I know this though. Also the LS1 I had most experience with was an automatic; I'm sure a 6-speed would do better.

Methodical4u 09-16-2011 11:40 PM

so did we have a race or what??

V8Killer 09-17-2011 06:29 AM

Hey guys!! Okay no vids b/c I forgot my camera, not to mention we didn't even get to go against each other. It was a horrible day at the track for everyone that went, the track just wasn't prepped properly. The best I could do in my car was a 13.9 which obviously is bad b/c I beat that stock. I let my buddy Jamie drive and the best he could get was 13.6 at 102. Josh's car ran a 13.2 and when Jamie drove it she went 12.9 at 113 I believe. So ya last night was def. a bust guys sorry to build it up but nobody at the track was doing anything impressive. Not to mention we got rained out 2 hours into the track while I was in the staging lane going for another pass. So hopefully while I am home we can get this going again. Thanks for checking in.

scarface364 09-17-2011 06:31 AM

Yep neither did what they were supposed to do, the camaro is faster though. Ryan will just hace to get some seat time in the Z I think itll run high 12s. I got a 13.6 out of the z @ 102 but track prep was horrible and it had a 2.3 60 foot. I got one pass in the SS and it ran a 12.9@114 2.25 60' but I left the t/c on DOH! All in all we gad a good time and the z will be out next week with d/r's

DTHPROOF 09-17-2011 06:56 AM

I love my 114 trapping car! Good time Ryan! You'll get it faster with seat time.

m4a1mustang 09-17-2011 08:54 AM

Nice trap, DTH. :tup:

DTHPROOF 09-17-2011 11:18 AM

Thanks! That's going through the traps in 3rd. I shift at 6200rpm but my limiter is set at 6900 so it's just a matter of staying in third. I hope it goes 116 with better air.

m4a1mustang 09-17-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHPROOF (Post 1317701)
Thanks! That's going through the traps in 3rd. I shift at 6200rpm but my limiter is set at 6900 so it's just a matter of staying in third. I hope it goes 116 with better air.

Very good!

I have always appreciated the LS1s. My first performance car was one of the 260hp 4.6L V8 Mustangs... I had that thing geared to hell (4.10s) with full bolt ons; I could hang with you LS1 guys through the first couple of gears but by the time you'd hit 3rd it was over. Nothing was more intimidating for me than seeing an SS or WS6 in my rear view mirror. When I got my Z i'd still get a chill when I saw one... and even with the 5.0 I just assume that any LS1 left on the road is probably modded to hell. :bowrofl:

andre12031948 09-17-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 1311515)
I know the race is for fun, so please take my prediction as also in fun.

After listening to the camaro, & watching him drive & excelerate, & reading how you're not sure of yourself/needing practice driving, my prediction(sorry)is, he'll beat you by 5/6 car lenghts. :stirthepot:

sorry.....

With your own driving, or with Jamie driving, it was a difference of 7/10s. One car lenght =1/10, 7/10=7 car lenghts.
I was pretty close, no?:)

m4a1mustang 09-17-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 1317824)
With your own driving, or with Jamie driving, it was a difference of 7/10s. One car lenght =1/10, 7/10=7 car lenghts.
I was pretty close, no?:)

Good call :tup:

DTHPROOF 09-17-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1317813)
Very good!

I have always appreciated the LS1s. My first performance car was one of the 260hp 4.6L V8 Mustangs... I had that thing geared to hell (4.10s) with full bolt ons; I could hang with you LS1 guys through the first couple of gears but by the time you'd hit 3rd it was over. Nothing was more intimidating for me than seeing an SS or WS6 in my rear view mirror. When I got my Z i'd still get a chill when I saw one... and even with the 5.0 I just assume that any LS1 left on the road is probably modded to hell. :bowrofl:

Thanks man. :tiphat: Mine definitely isn't modded like most, lol. Truly just LT headers, small cam, and a tune. Thanks again!

DTHPROOF 09-21-2011 01:46 PM

I believe the OP wants a rematch.

V8Killer 09-21-2011 04:14 PM

Josh how is it a rematch when we didn't even run? LOL

DTHPROOF 09-21-2011 08:14 PM

Want to make a collage of timeslips? lol

V8Killer 09-22-2011 09:48 AM

Ya we could just make sure you take out the ones Jamie did and that will be cool.

Methodical4u 09-22-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1324906)
Ya we could just make sure you take out the ones Jamie did and that will be cool.

I think you all should just put on some boxing gloves and go at it and not speak through the cars :tup: I LOVE boxing

DTHPROOF 09-24-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1324906)
Ya we could just make sure you take out the ones Jamie did and that will be cool.

They'd still be faster, lol. I drove my black car to a 13.2 @108 with garbage 2.2 60' times 4 consecutive runs. This car is no different, just a lot more on the deep end. And no boxing here, I got nothin' but love for the man; plus, he'd beat my ***!:tiphat:


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