That is my understanding. They can't reverse possession... that call is made on the field.

Absolutely correct. :iagree:

NFL Statement

NFL supports decision to not overturn Seahawks' touchdown - NFL.com

"It's all good."

lol when I watched the game with my brother and that happened, I immediately posited that they called TD and upheld it just to be able to leave the building safely. :bowrofl:

I totally called that last night! They didn't even discuss anything about the play, only copied and pasted rules from the playbook. That statement was useless.

Wow way to go nfl. Of course they won't overturn it. That would imply that their referees are wrong and not fit to officiate an nfl game. They can't be having that!

Forget the rulebook, fix the call. How is possession not reviewable? They're your own freaking made up rules, so overturn it in this case. When a call is so blatantly wrong they should be able to fix it, regardless of what the "rules" currently say. Same goes for baseball. I don't understand how they can live with the fact that it is wrong and just move on. That's just not right.

Forget reversing the call, they didn't even acknowledge that it was the wrong call even according to their own stupid rules.

Bottom line is the NFL won't change its tune unless fans just stop watching. And I don't think anyone is going to stop watching. No one ever looks away from a train wreck.

I will. One more week of no progress, and the NFL is not being watched in my house. My brother has already stopped watching, and he's the biggest football fan I know.

The NFL and its related unions will not care about the fan until the fan makes them care, and the only way to do that is by closing your wallet. It's about time that sports fans show some backbone, or every league will keep doing this, right NHL?

completely disagree.. you cant just change rules nilly willy in the middle of a season cus a few people cry.

Rules are set before the season starts and will not change till next season. This is the correct way to handle this. That way, ALL teams get to discuss the rule changes and it isn't a change made on a drastic event or people crying.

Again, when you play the full thing fast, you can see where the refs might have confusion as to who initially grabbed the ball (grabbed together or not).

Remember, doesnt matter who ends up with it after 5 minute struggle or who can tear it away once on the ground its who put their hands on it first and then went down with it. And in joint possession it goes to the offense.

again, in slow mo replay from multiple angles we can obviously see what should have been called. Look at it in full speed from the angles the ref's had and again, you can understand the initial confusion. Compounded by the fact that possession cannot be reviewed, once decided, they could not over turn it.

end of story. but were all gonna cry about it until the next mistake the refs make. And then when the real ref's get back, were gonna cry about them too.

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But, when one ref is calling one thing, and the other is calling something different, and neither is the "white hat" ref, they should have all gotten together to confer before signaling ANYTHING. That was a huge mistake.
Why do we watch such a pathetic game, then? We like crying, I guess. :ugh2:

well, i dont cry about the calls that much. Only during the game, like when they happen but after its whatever.

Everytime the steelers lose a close game, i never say the ref's ****** it up.. i say... the Steelers shouldnt have even allowed it to be close or allowed the outcome to be determined by that one call. I expect better outta my team and move on.

P.S Al, Pm me .. do you actually live in baltimore or somewhere outside and how far is the rest of the crew from you?

Like I posted last night after ESPN's explanation of the rule, joint possession goes to the offense EXCEPT when one receiver establishes possession of the ball prior to the other one. This is exactly what happened. With the conflicting calls by the refs on the field, they should have had more of a discussion of what happened before making a call on the field.

true they should have discussed it further. but lets look. the ref at the front of the endzone called touchdown, the back ref called time.

the ref in the back, could not see the ball as he would only see the defenders back. The front was supposedly able to see the ball and what happened. So they should have gone with the assessment of the front official who called touchdown.. (not saying it was correct) but thats what probably also happened.

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Vote with your wallet.

Sorry but I'm not going to stop watching this train wreck. :icon17:

Irks me how much hate is directed at the refs. IMO, they're doing a kickass job considering the prep they've been given, and I expect that if the lockout continues, they'll get to a good enough level that things may not get resolved with the real refs

I'm not mad at the replacement refs, I'm mad at the situation which has been created by the NFL and the Referee Union. The scab refs are just doing a job that they're underqualified for.

I agree. I'm not mad at the refs. I'm mad at the situation. These guys are doing the best they can but its obvious they are in WAY over their heads. Not their fault. And I do feel sorry for them because of the embarrassment they must feel.

I think undertrained rather than under qualified. They've been through less formal training than I went through to officiate little league playoffs.

And we had plenty of crazy things with the RU refs....hochuli rule anyone?

Could be both, though. They didn't really have time to "weed out any non-hackers from [their] beloved corps"

They were less frequent, and the games weren't each taking 3.25 hours to complete.

No argument on the delay.

I don't really believe they were that much less frequent, there was just a lot less bitching because people weren't watching for it.

Yea I'm getting tired of a mnf game not ending till 1130 lol. Come on guys!

Steelers fans never complain about bad calls, thats how Big Jen got his first super bowl ring :icon17:

This. Sucks to be on the east coast when it comes to the late games.

Yeah, every superbowl winner only ever wins because of the refs according to the "fans"

I wouldn't say that, I can't think of many games where the refs directly affected the outcome. Some of your homer fans might agree, but they are usually just local team fanboys anyway.

well see your interpretation of directly affected the outcome is false.

on the drive where Greenbay scored the TD, they were granted a PI call that was ********.

Without that their drive would have stalled and them punted.

So Seattle would not have even needed this hailmary play to win.

I'm a Hawks fan, I don't see anything wrong with the call.. Lol. The way I see it is that the Hawks were finally on the winning side of a "questionable" call. Those of us in Seattle still remember being robbed in Superbowl XL.. Steelers told us to suck it up and deal with it. So sorry Greenbay and your fans.. It's your turn to suck it up put your big girl panties on and deal with it.. That being said I'm pretty sure the "12th man" wouldn't of allowed that call to go against them.. Just be glad it wasn't a bowl game people

Yeah I'm more angry at the fact that the NFL and the NFLRA haven't come to an agreement yet. The replacements are clearly undertrained and having difficulty keeping up with the pace of NFL games, but they are doing the best they can. As much as the NFL talks about protecting player safety and the integrity of the game, they've proven without a doubt that they only care about money. Even if they did give in to the demands of the NFLRA, that money is a drop in the bucket compared to how much the NFL is pulling in.

When a ref blows a TD/Int call with 0 seconds left on the clock.. that is directly affecting the outcome of the game. The fact that they screwed up a bunch of other calls before that just indicates that they had no business officiating the game.

Moral of the story, get the real refs back. The game is suffering badly and it needs to be fixed.

This is true, which is why I've said again and again, I'm not mad at the Hawks. It's not like they cheated. I'm mad at the bad officiating, due to the NFL and the Referee union. Every team has been given the advantage of a few bad calls, but there is a scale to each bad call. Neither of these bad calls should have happened. Even if GB doesn't get the good call, they may have taken the lead on that drive, or the may not have. We don't get to speculate, because the game is tainted by undertrained personnel.
Ah, the old "sink down to their level" defense. Classic.

The problem is you don't KNOW that the drive would have stalled. Unless it was 3rd down, in which I retract that statement. Green bay was moving the ball in the second half. That call didn't directly affect the outcome the same way the call on the final play did.

And what about the pass interference on Sydney Rice that was actually called on the packers player? Rice was jumping over the guy, all over his back, and they call PI on the packer DB, who had his head turned for a good 5 seconds and was playing the ball. That was garbage, and forced a punt I think?

It was 3rd down iirc, but nothing in the rulebook says they can't go for it on 4th.

found this interesting and funny article.. about our "officials" right now.... they were fired before!...read more to find out!

Lingerie Football League commissioner mocks NFL for its low officiating standards - Yahoo! Sports

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Exactly. I mean GB already has a fake punt/FG for a TD this season.