NBA Finals??

ct63084 · 05-28-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zman1910

Your crazy if you think Lebron is losing it for the Cavs. He's done exactly what he's done all year and more. He's scored 40+ in every single game this series. He's not the greatest free throw shooter, but he still makes the majority of them...considering that he takes the most free throws in the NBA.

Mo Williams, on the other hand, was a 90+% free throw shooter and has missed more free throws than he has all season long. Forget the fact that he couldn't bribe the bball to go in the hoop. He's been the biggest flop this postseason. Lebron has tried to carry his team as a result of no other offense. He's somewhat succeeded, but you can't ask him to revert to his old ways when this entire season it was a team effort.

IMO the coaching is at fault here for at least one of the losses....game 4. Seriously.....James on Alston?? Ben guarding the perimeter on Lewis? This has got to be a joke. Combine this with the fact that Lebron needs at least one other offensively skilled player to create for himself....that was supposed to be Mo Williams. You take him out of the question and we are back to Lebron basketball of the previous years.

Hmm i don't think you understand all i'm saying is that lebron is the face and the leader of the Cavs and if he's teammates/coach are not performing up to standards then it's his job to set them straight, call them out if he has too, look at howard called out his coach and look at them now. Also i didn't say cavs lost because of lebron solely, the dude pretty much carried this team this series. But also you gotta realize this is a team that won 66 games this season and consider by many coming in to the series as one of the best teams especially defensively this season suddenly they are playing like the clippers, something happened to them mentally and as a leader he has to realize that scoring 40 points a game is just not going to cut it, **** MJ scored 60 and still lost. Also If lebron would have made his free throws it would be 2-2 right now and that says a lot to lebrons game even though he's team is performing poorly the game is still very close. Lebron is beyond awesome but scoring 40 ppg and taking 20 plus shots a game is bad for a team its hard to get a team going when their job is to watch him shoot the ball. I'm not calling out lebrons game cause i know he's the best player in the league, i'm calling out his decisions and his leadership skills. Kobe proved my point last night dude shot 13 times only scored a mear 20 points but got his team going and damn the Lakers looked really good last night.

shesha · 05-28-2009, 04:42 PM

yes look at Lord Kobe, he only scored like 22 points last night, and the Lakers beat the Nuggs. Lebron has 0 help.

zman1910 · 05-28-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ct63084

Kobe proved my point last night dude shot 13 times only scored a mear 20 points but got his team going and damn the Lakers looked really good last night.

I understand what your saying, but I don't think the Cavs can beat great teams without Lebron throwing up at least 30 points. They don't have the talent the Lakers have offensively. The Lakers can score very easily against any team...the Cavs can score very easily against anyone but the elite. Almost every player on the Lakers can create their own shot as we witnessed last night. The Cavs are a very different team altogether...they are role players on Lebron's team. It's always been their nature. If one person doesn't perform their role, the entire team will struggle.

It's very easy for the elite teams to see how they can shut down the Cavs primarily bc they have all the right pieces and don't have to sacrifice any of their positions. Let's face it.....if we had a center with a little bit of speed, energy and jumping ability, we wouldn't be in this situation. Or at least another big forward that is offensively capable. This is indeed a matchup problem....as everyone has stated thus far. It was the same problem in the reg. season.

It's gonna take a miracle for the Cavs to pull this series out.....unless the Magic get all panicky and start to choke

ct63084 · 05-28-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zman1910

I understand what your saying, but I don't think the Cavs can beat great teams without Lebron throwing up at least 30 points. They don't have the talent the Lakers have offensively. The Lakers can score very easily against any team...the Cavs can score very easily against anyone but the elite. Almost every player on the Lakers can create their own shot as we witnessed last night. The Cavs are a very different team altogether...they are role players on Lebron's team. It's always been their nature. If one person doesn't perform their role, the entire team will struggle.

It's very easy for the elite teams to see how they can shut down the Cavs primarily bc they have all the right pieces and don't have to sacrifice any of their positions. Let's face it.....if we had a center with a little bit of speed, energy and jumping ability, we wouldn't be in this situation. Or at least another big forward that is offensively capable. This is indeed a matchup problem....as everyone has stated thus far. It was the same problem in the reg. season.

It's gonna take a miracle for the Cavs to pull this series out.....unless the Magic get all panicky and start to choke

Lol im not even going to watch it cause i might throw something out the window.

arcticreaver · 05-28-2009, 07:02 PM

what the Cavs are lacking is the interior. they need a big man that knows how to finish at the rim or get other big men to get into foul trouble.

i remember when the Lakers played the Magics last year and everytime howard had the ball, it was an offensive foul that Gasol drew out of him.

i think that chamionship teams still need a good big men in the paint, i'm not talking about straight up centers, but centers and power forwards. look at the magics, they have superman in the middle. with the Lakers, they got Gasol and Andrew, with the Celtics, they had KG, and with Spurs, they had the Admiral and now with Duncan.

with a big man that can score and dominate on the defensive end, that team has always the advantage.

inside the paint is where team can draw fouls and eventually put the team on the charity and get some free throws. another advantage.

my boy Kobe did what i didn't think he would do, play point guard for game 5. i thought he was just going to torch the nuggets, but damn, his plan worked. what he needs to do is get his team mates in the game early to build some confidence. then late in the 3rd or 4th he can take over and play decoy as well.

but lebron doesn't have that luxury. his shooters are bricking left and right. Cavs are still Lebron and Lebron is still the Cavs but I don't think for long.

the problem with the Cavs is that the game doesn't go through a point guard, it goes through a power forward that HAS TO PLAY POINT GUARD to get his team in the offense and make plays so that others can score. he is a passer but the offense shouldn't come from him and him alone.

kobe had to do that years ago and it come him no where in the deep western conference teams. but now he doesn't. fisher, farmar, shannon and even sasha runs the plays and he just makes the plays.

Lebron is a power forward that CAN pass and CAN make great plays but he's not the one to do it in every possession. and this i think is mike brown's fault. he's just letting lebron do all the work. where is mo williams? where is the point? everyone is looking at King James to make a play!

lets see what happens in game 6 tonight.

arcticreaver · 05-28-2009, 08:42 PM

from the looks of things, i looks like there will be a game 6 in orlando. trading baskets with cavs is a bad idea. orlando needs to get a stop or else the lead is going to be much bigger!

05-28-2009, 08:47 PM

lol Cavs blew the lead in all 3 losses. Wouldnt be shocked if they did it again

arcticreaver · 05-28-2009, 11:01 PM

cavs won it, it was a good win for the Cavs. but game 6 in orlando...

05-28-2009, 11:02 PM

Didnt deserve that win. You need to learn how to defend a 22pt lead.....

arcticreaver · 05-28-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

Didnt deserve that win. You need to learn how to defend a 22pt lead.....

lol Cavs reminded me of the Lakers tonight.

05-28-2009, 11:04 PM

I hope LBJ comes to New York. Cavs are crap without him. Maybe we could become dominant. We have a team who proves they have what it takes but we just arent consistent.

zman1910 · 05-28-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

Didnt deserve that win. You need to learn how to defend a 22pt lead.....

Usually this far into the playoffs your playing the best teams in the NBA.....huge leads can come and go as they please. More times than not, games are balanced in the NBA. It's all about finishing properly.

zman1910 · 05-28-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

I hope LBJ comes to New York. Cavs are crap without him. Maybe we could become dominant. We have a team who proves they have what it takes but we just arent consistent.

I hope he will also but you could argue the same thing for NY. Ok ok they are a tad bit better...

05-28-2009, 11:54 PM

haha Knicks > Cavs without LBJ.....I guarantee if he comes here we will win.

arcticreaver · 05-29-2009, 12:00 AM

if the knicks want lebron they have to show him that they are a contender and not just throw money at time. nike will just make up whatever the difference is with his contract so money is not an issue. and i don't think mike can do that great of a job with lebron.

05-28-2009, 07:02 PM	#95 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	what the Cavs are lacking is the interior. they need a big man that knows how to finish at the rim or get other big men to get into foul trouble. i remember when the Lakers played the Magics last year and everytime howard had the ball, it was an offensive foul that Gasol drew out of him. i think that chamionship teams still need a good big men in the paint, i'm not talking about straight up centers, but centers and power forwards. look at the magics, they have superman in the middle. with the Lakers, they got Gasol and Andrew, with the Celtics, they had KG, and with Spurs, they had the Admiral and now with Duncan. with a big man that can score and dominate on the defensive end, that team has always the advantage. inside the paint is where team can draw fouls and eventually put the team on the charity and get some free throws. another advantage. my boy Kobe did what i didn't think he would do, play point guard for game 5. i thought he was just going to torch the nuggets, but damn, his plan worked. what he needs to do is get his team mates in the game early to build some confidence. then late in the 3rd or 4th he can take over and play decoy as well. but lebron doesn't have that luxury. his shooters are bricking left and right. Cavs are still Lebron and Lebron is still the Cavs but I don't think for long. the problem with the Cavs is that the game doesn't go through a point guard, it goes through a power forward that HAS TO PLAY POINT GUARD to get his team in the offense and make plays so that others can score. he is a passer but the offense shouldn't come from him and him alone. kobe had to do that years ago and it come him no where in the deep western conference teams. but now he doesn't. fisher, farmar, shannon and even sasha runs the plays and he just makes the plays. Lebron is a power forward that CAN pass and CAN make great plays but he's not the one to do it in every possession. and this i think is mike brown's fault. he's just letting lebron do all the work. where is mo williams? where is the point? everyone is looking at King James to make a play! lets see what happens in game 6 tonight. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-28-2009, 08:42 PM	#96 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	from the looks of things, i looks like there will be a game 6 in orlando. trading baskets with cavs is a bad idea. orlando needs to get a stop or else the lead is going to be much bigger! __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-28-2009, 11:01 PM	#98 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	cavs won it, it was a good win for the Cavs. but game 6 in orlando... __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-29-2009, 12:00 AM	#105 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	if the knicks want lebron they have to show him that they are a contender and not just throw money at time. nike will just make up whatever the difference is with his contract so money is not an issue. and i don't think mike can do that great of a job with lebron. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-28-2009, 04:42 PM	#92 (permalink)
shesha Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 159 Drives: 370z Silver Rep Power: 16	yes look at Lord Kobe, he only scored like 22 points last night, and the Lakers beat the Nuggs. Lebron has 0 help.

05-28-2009, 08:47 PM	#97 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	lol Cavs blew the lead in all 3 losses. Wouldnt be shocked if they did it again

05-28-2009, 11:02 PM	#99 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	Didnt deserve that win. You need to learn how to defend a 22pt lead.....

05-28-2009, 11:04 PM	#101 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	I hope LBJ comes to New York. Cavs are crap without him. Maybe we could become dominant. We have a team who proves they have what it takes but we just arent consistent.

05-28-2009, 11:54 PM	#104 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	haha Knicks > Cavs without LBJ.....I guarantee if he comes here we will win.