2021 Formula 1 Thread

[abm89]

I think Max might lose his title if Merc takes this to court: https://twitter.com/phortonf1/status...925912581?s=21

[DrBacon]

I wanted max to win, but not like this. Lewis did a fantastic job keeping up a large gap on a worse set of tires. He deserved the win.

[Hotrodz]

Well so much for the Stewards being for MB.

Congratulations to Red Bull and the Orange Army. You have your champion!

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[Averying]

Ignoring the lap 1 incident… to me it comes down to the fact that Mercedes did not prepare Lewis for a safety car towards the end the race. Lapped cars always end up unlapping themselves under a safety car, which is what happened today.

Should the FIA have made the decision to unlap the cars from the start of the safety car? Yes. Really not sure why they made this call so late.

Did the lapped cars not being allowed to originally unlap themselves affect MB decision to stay out on the hard tires? I’m not sure.

Yes Lewis was the faster driver today, and sure Red Bull needed 100 things to fall into place for max to end up in the perfect situation with 1 lap to go, but I still think MB made some wrong calls regarding tire strategies which led to Lewis being unprepared for a safety car. MB, with their lead at the time, could have easily reacted to Max’s pit stop after the Giovinazzi incident, resulting in Lewis having newer tires just like Max.

So in summary… the FIA needs to have more set-in-stone rules that follow a predetermined procedure, MB screwed up a tire decision, and RB got lucky with how the race unfolded in their hands, despite Lewis clearly being the faster car today.


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[Ventruck]

Originally Posted by Averying

Ignoring the lap 1 incident… to me it comes down to the fact that Mercedes did not prepare Lewis for a safety car towards the end the race. Lapped cars always end up unlapping themselves under a safety car, which is what happened today.

Should the FIA have made the decision to unlap the cars from the start of the safety car? Yes. Really not sure why they made this call so late.

Did the lapped cars not being allowed to originally unlap themselves affect MB decision to stay out on the hard tires? I’m not sure.

Yes Lewis was the faster driver today, and sure Red Bull needed 100 things to fall into place for max to end up in the perfect situation with 1 lap to go, but I still think MB made some wrong calls regarding tire strategies which led to Lewis being unprepared for a safety car. MB, with their lead at the time, could have easily reacted to Max’s pit stop after the Giovinazzi incident, resulting in Lewis having newer tires just like Max.

So in summary… the FIA needs to have more set-in-stone rules that follow a predetermined procedure, MB screwed up a tire decision, and RB got lucky with how the race unfolded in their hands, despite Lewis clearly being the faster car today.


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Pretty much how I see it. FIA was sloppy with this, and season, and in the end Lewis and Max never really dropped the ball when it came to driving.

Sure enough Toto will Toto because that's his job, but I think even Lewis can just accept this and look to next year to take over. A lot of these events were atypical so he knows he's not declining unless the car absolutely lets him down.

Congratulations to Max. A lot of titles don't come on the exact or more "legitimate" terms, but what it took to be in contention, all he could do was seize his opportunities, and he did. End of the day, he did his job and not everyone could've executed this with the same circumstances.

[God-Speed]

Enough said!!

[DLSTR]

Mercedes lodges intention to appeal dismissal of Abu Dhabi GP protest
By:
Luke Smith
Dec 12, 2021, 2:40 PM
Mercedes has lodged its intention to appeal the stewards’ dismissal of its Abu Dhabi race result protest following the controversial end to the Formula 1 season.

Mercedes filed two protests with the FIA stewards at the Yas Marina Circuit over the race restart after Max Verstappen passed Lewis Hamilton on the final lap of the race to win the world championship.

The stewards dismissed both protests, including one of the resumption of the race with one lap remaining, but Mercedes has confirmed it has lodged its intention to appeal the decision.

“We have lodged our intention to appeal Document 58 / the decision of the stewards to dismiss the team’s protest,” said a Mercedes spokesperson after the race on Sunday.

It means Mercedes now has 96 hours to decide if it will continue and formally lodge an appeal with the FIA.

[Spooler]

It was a sucky ending to the season. Controversial at beast. Enough said. The whole year has been the same.

[Hotrodz]

It is a shame, that F1 new owners are about entertainment over racing! F1 is now fully a sports entertainment business!

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[God-Speed]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

It is a shame, that F1 new owners are about entertainment over racing! F1 is now fully a sports entertainment business!

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The next 90 days should be interesting.

[cooltoy]

I have no words.

[Hotrodz]

A win is a win! In officiating, one should strive not to be the determining factor in who win or losses!!! Except if you want to make Netflix richer!

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[DLSTR]

The so called "Race Director"

[ZCanadian]

Still rather that the championship was decided on a flying lap than under an extended safety car.

If I were Masi, I'd have let Toto and Christian's calls go to voicemail, though. Last thing he needed was to deal with those two whiners while trying to figure out how to clear the track.

Lewis' race was compromised from the moment they called him in way too early to cover Max's pit stop (lap 14). Being in the lead at the SC, Mercedes had little choice but to leave him out, while Max got the soft tires and wing adjustment he needed to be competitive. I can see why Merc felt confident in staying the course, with the odds being that the race would either end under a waved yellow or that racing would resume with one or two laps to go and lapped cars between the two leaders.

The rule to clear the lapped cars is to allow for racing between the leading cars, and un-lapping these four or five and then ending the SC although not directly handing the trophy to Max, gave him that one last opportunity to take it.

That final lap, and Perez' crazy mad dogfight with Lewis on tires way to old to have done what he did (20 lap old reds), made this the best race of the season for me. Even if there were about 55 laps of snore-fest in between it all.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Perez' crazy mad dogfight with Lewis on tires way to old to have done what he did (20 lap old reds)

Phenomenal driving. I was laughing at Lewis for whining about it.

As far as Max and Lewis go, I enjoyed watching them race this year but it's never a good thing for anyone when the refs have a role in determining the outcome. And Lewis damn near won despite his team sabotaging him.

It will be very interesting to see where things fall into place next year.