2021 Formula 1 Thread

[God-Speed]

FIA = INCONSISTENCY!!!!!

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Yes but they were so happy to give the verdict without the most critical angle.

Agreed and they should reverse their decision and give Max a three place grid penalty at Qatar.

I know people want to compare this incident with Silverstone but they are not the same. In that case although Lewis ran wide and missed the apex Max also didn't lift and turned in on Lewis. They were both at fault and suffered the consequences.

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[DLSTR]

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/formul...x-2021-preview

Losail 17 November 2021
The final triple-header of the season ends at what is a brand new venue for Formula 1. After Mexico and Brazil, Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow now heads for Qatar, on the coast of the Arabian Peninsula, also bordering Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf. It will be the first time a Grand Prix has been held here. Qatar covers an area of just over 11,500 square kilometres, with a population of 2,800,000.

The track. The track only took a year to build, thanks to a workforce of around a thousand, at a cost of 58 million US dollars. It was inaugurated in 2004, staging that year’s MotoGP, the first such race to be held at night as from 2007, when a powerful 3600 floodlight system was installed. It is 5.380 kilometres in length, with the main straight measuring 1.068 kilometres. The track is surrounded by artificial grass to prevent sand blowing onto it from the surrounding desert. The first corner is very important, as it requires very heavy braking before a quick section where it is important to carry speed before braking for turn 4, which marks the start of a section with more corners. A hairpin at turn 6 is the slowest point on the track and leads into the most technical part of the circuit. The complex of corners 12, 13 and 14 is taken as one turn, similar to the famous turn 8 at Istanbul Park. Turn 15 is a fairly quick right-hander before the final braking point on the lap. Here there is more than one possible line, which means overtaking is a possibility.

Circuit video https://motorsport.tv/embed/WoxFs3y1...tional-circuit

[abm89]

I feel like this may be a "fun to drive" but not a "fun to watch" track.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

I feel like this may be a "fun to drive" but not a "fun to watch" track.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...sical/6794214/

F1 drivers expect fast Qatar track to be “physical”
By: Adam Cooper
Nov 18, 2021, 4:25 AM
Formula 1 drivers who have tried the Losail track in team simulators expect the Qatar GP venue to be challenging and tough physically.

Of those on the current grid, only Sergio Perez and Nikita Mazepin have previously raced at the track, in GP2 Asia and the MRF Challenge respectively.

Others have had to fit visits to factories and sim running around the current busy race schedule, and have only recently had the opportunity to sample Losail.

A high downforce set-up and a series of quick sweeping corners are expected to provide the drivers with a challenge.

“It's a pretty fast track,” said Lando Norris when asked by Autosport. “Not many big braking zones or anything, so it's probably going to be quite a physical one.

“I don't know how the racing or anything is going to be, I've got no idea just yet. But quite a fun track from what it looks like.”

“It is going to be a very high speed track,” said Pierre Gasly. “It is difficult to compare with any other track that we’ve been to, so it is going to be a challenge.

“Driving it in the simulator and driving-wise it seems really exciting. In terms of racing it is quite high speed and a lot of long corners, high yaw corners, so it might be difficult to follow, but we will see.

“It is probably going to be quite physical in terms of G and the minimum speed in the corners is pretty high.

“But Sao Paulo is always really difficult as well as it is anti-clockwise. When you have a triple-header the neck is still stiff from the first race and all the way through, so I think we’ll fine to Abu Dhabi.”

George Russell also acknowledged the circuit’s fast nature.

“It’s quite an enjoyable track to be honest,” said the Williams driver. “Very fast, sweeping, high downforce, a long straight as well. So I think there'll be some good racing.”

[ZCanadian]

I'm already looking ahead to Jeddah - where they will need a safety car behind the paving machines as they finish the track during FP and quali!!!!

[DLSTR]

Montoya: Verstappen didn’t have intention of making Turn 4 in Hamilton incident
By:
Haydn Cobb
Nov 18, 2021, 7:42 AM
Juan Pablo Montoya believes Max Verstappen intentionally ran wide in his Turn 4 clash with Formula 1 title rival Lewis Hamilton and has questioned inconsistencies from the FIA.

Later today, the FIA stewards will hear new evidence over the incident between Verstappen and Hamilton on lap 48 and Turn 4 to judge if it needs to be investigated after the controversial clash wasn’t referred for an stewards’ investigation during the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Mercedes requested a right to review the incident after new evidence came to light, primarily the forward-facing camera footage from Verstappen’s F1 car which was published on Tuesday after the race.

Given the high-profile collisions between the F1 title rivals throughout this season, Mercedes were surprised the incident wasn’t deemed worthy of an investigation, with FIA race director Michael Masi revealing after the race Verstappen’s onboard footage wasn’t checked before ruling out an investigation.

Immediately after the race Verstappen said his worn tyres were the reason why he ran wide at Turn 4.

Speaking on This Week with Will Buxton about the incident, Montoya felt Verstappen was taking the F1 title fight implications into consideration, knowing Hamilton needed to finish ahead of him to strengthen his championship hopes, and that he wasn’t going to make the corner due to how late he braked when fighting Hamilton.

“My honest opinion, the way I think Max looks at it is: if they crash he gains points,” Montoya said. “As long as Lewis doesn't finish ahead of him, he's in a better situation for the championship.

“Lewis was alongside him and cleared him in the braking zone. There was no way as late as he braked he was gonna make the corner. I don't think he had much of an intention of making the corner.

“I don't have anything against Max. I actually really like Max and Red Bull, and they've done an amazing job to bring the fight to Mercedes. But I think they're being surprised of how good Mercedes was.”

Montoya also felt it was inconsistency from the FIA over on-track incidents, pointing to the penalties handed out to Lando Norris and Sergio Perez (twice) during the Austrian GP earlier this season.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mo...ident/6794780/

[abm89]

More or less echoing the sentiment of FIA inconsistency. Still waiting to see the results of this investigation.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

More or less echoing the sentiment of FIA inconsistency. Still waiting to see the results of this investigation.

Yes we all have great opinions but that result today is all that matters lol.

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Yes we all have great opinions but that result today is all that matters lol.

Unlike the incident at Silverstone 80% or more of professional drivers, past and present state that Max was in the wrong!

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[DLSTR]

Mercedes' Brazilian GP appeal verdict delayed till Friday
Nov 18, 2021, 1:30 PM
Formula 1’s race stewards have delayed until Friday their decision over whether or not to grant Mercedes right to review on Max Verstappen’s driving in Brazil.

[abm89]

So I'm seeing the request to review was denied:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/an...iving/6798618/

I guess this is now allowed for the final three races. Seems like a convenient rule change given there are clear previous incidents that were penalized. >_>

[God-Speed]

Originally Posted by abm89

So I'm seeing the request to review was denied:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/an...iving/6798618/

I guess this is now allowed for the final three races. Seems like a convenient rule change given there are clear previous incidents that were penalized. >_>

The FIA need a make over far more than the cars and engines!!

[abm89]

Lewis can't afford to risk his car to pull this move on Max in the future, but Valtteri could definitely use this interpretation of the rule should he find himself in that situation. The problem is Valtteri lets anyone through.

This is a can of worms that the FIA just opened.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

Lewis can't afford to risk his car to pull this move on Max in the future, but Valtteri could definitely use this interpretation of the rule should he find himself in that situation. The problem is Valtteri lets anyone through.

This is a can of worms that the FIA just opened.

LeClerc said he will no treat Max the same given the new ruling. Max needs to remember it can go both ways. Frankly id love to see him punted off the track.