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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I don't know if it's your intention or not, but you are coming off in this thread as so defenisve of the frs/brz that it's almost angry.

Bottom line is some folks will want more power out of a car and some will be happy with less.

I think the brz/frs is nice, but it would be perfect with 250hp imo. I feel it's a bit underpowered.

Before you slam me for making that assumption w/o having driven one. The wife and i have previously owned 2 miatas, a 99 and on 03 shinsen ed. Referring to the 03 shinsen, I will say it had the BEST clutch/shifter feel etc of ANY car I've ever driven, the balance etc was spot on and it was a hoot to drive around even if I didn't fit in it for sh!t.

Now, having said that, after a while, you quickly realize that the miata could use another 60-100 horses. That was my takeaway from it. great car, but underpowered. Trying to merge in with traffic was an exercise in frustration.

The truth is, you can't drive even a miata as aggressively as you'd like to on the street b/c squealing tires around the corners in your neighborhood tends to be frowned upon. The only safe place to explore the limits of your car regardless of what it is is the track. And the miata is underpowered for anything more than autox and I suspect the BRZ/FRS will be too. That's not to say they won't be fun but for folks who have owned many different sports cars, I think it will be disapointing.

The 370Z is def not perfect, lord knows folks on here have seen me b1tch about it's many shortcomings, but the aftermarket has good solutions for almost all of them. Hell, a simple tire size adjustment (wider fronts) will help make the Z less prone to understeer and that is a very simple fix/improvement.

For a 3300lb car like the Z, 300-350 hp is a good starting place powerwise imo.

For a 2700-2800lb car like the brz, 250ish hp is a good spot powerwise imo.

To each his own, I think it's a nice car, but def not for me, too much $$ for too little power, regardless of the handling characteristics. Been there, done that, got the T shirt.

Originally Posted by vo2max99

No, I'm simply pointing out how ridiculous to assume the BRZ / FR-S are somehow not worth it due to their straight line acceleration.

Again, if the BRZ / FR-S are indeed in the same ball park with the MX-5 as 99^ of the reviews have suggested it makes no sense to assume the cars won't be worth the price or be under-powered.

Also to assume more power would somehow make the BRZ / FR-S better is a fallacy unless your main thing is #'s. As is with 200hp the BRZ / FR-S will likely finish far above any car 40K and under and in the same ball park vs. the EVO X / MX-5 in terms of being fun to drive / handling dynamics.

So of this happens to be the case (likely IMO) how does it make any sense to suggest the car is somehow too under-powered / not worth it, etc? So a car costing ~25-28K is rated among the best drivers cars yet somehow it's not worth it? I don't follow the logic.

Why would the car need more than 200hp if by most accounts it doesn't and places among the very best in terms of being a fun to drive driver's car? Is it the #'s your worried about?

But again, I haven't driven the BRZ / FR-S but judging on 99% of the reviews thus far there's not much reason to believe the BRZ / FR-S won't be well worth the price.

If you're happy with your Z that's great nobody is forcing anybody to trade in. There's no need to take offense. I know people feel they need to defend their purchase but it's not the end of the World. There's always going to be better cars coming out.


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