Subaru powered Toyota FT-86 Concept

speedworks

I don't know guys, I had high expectations for this car, and it seems to be late to the game for what they are bringing. Compare it to the Genesis coupe, which has more hp, a turbo, and is cheaper. Granted this car is lighter, 2700 vs 3300, but with an oem turbo (read easy to upgrade) and a v6 option, the Genesis justs appears on paper to be a better car, and it is already in the market, with tons of aftermarket support. I just think this subyota is late to the game, and doesn't bring anything that makes it stand out. Now if they Sti it, different story.

Just my thoughts, but I will still go drive one to see how it drives

Zaggeron

The 2012 2.0T Genesis Coupe is rated at 210 HP. Now that's just 10 HP more but it weighs 500 lbs more. Very big difference. The Toyobaru will feel and handle much differently. What's the conversion rate per 100lbs ... something like 10hp. So the Genesis would have to be running something like 260 hp to get the same power/weight ratio as the FT. You might be able to get that by increasing boost, but you still have the inertia of the larger mass to cart around in the Genesis.

Really, they are different sorts of cars and not really meant to be compared (though they obviously are and will be)

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speedworks

I don't think you can say they are meant to be different, 4 seats, rear drive, front engine, fun, handling, sports coupe. They look almost the exact same, have similar hp, and similar prices. I think they are in direct competition.

baldie

V6 Stang, better mpg, more power, same price.

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m4a1mustang

Yeah but the FRS comes in at 2600 lbs. I don't know how many people here have driven cars under 3,000 lbs before (probably not many), but 2,600 lbs feels A LOT different than 3600, 3300, or even 3200 lbs!!!!!

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Red__Zed

2600lbs is a great weight for a car.

Isamu

I remember driving a gutted turbo miata once... it was stoopid fun!

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Skeeterbop

This is true. My MR-2 weighed in around 2600 pounds and was an absolute blast to drive, although it was a bit overpowered, the light weight made for a fun companion on mountain roads. You didn't need huge brakes or wide expensive tires to have good handling either.

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Jordo!

Yes it does. This car should handle like a go-kart.

But... I hope and pray they offer FI for it. I deeply miss having a lightweight, well handling tossable car, but I DON'T miss having a car that can't get out of it's own way.

Those power and torque figures are NOT impressive, not even on a four banger (recall the figures for the S2K), and certainly not with DI and premium fuel.

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Spikuh

Or think back to the SR20DET in the Silvia line. ~200hp and ~200torque and ~250hp by the time you got to the s15 model.

Then there is the new MR16DDT engine with 188hp and 177torque...

Granted, these are FI engines and the FT engine is NA so not entirely apples to applese, but I expected better numbers.

baldie

Haha yeah, my sdub mr2 and spyder were both a blast to drive.

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Zaggeron

Obviously they are in direct competition. But apple producers and orange producers are in direct competition for your fruit purchases, but you still shouldn't compare apples and oranges. People still do though -- both are hand sized fruits, round (ish), sweet, cost close to the same, etc.

Seriously, what I meant was that they are really quite different sorts of cars leaving aside the obvious similarities

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