2016 Alpha platform Camaro

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:32 AM

It makes sense, too. Camaros have higher starting MSRP and more expensive option packages than Mustang.

FPenvy · 12-22-2015, 10:40 AM

wait................why the hell is there an argument about NON V8 options of these cars?

it's simple. with a mustang or Camaro if you don't get a V8 you're a pole smoker.

end of argument//

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

wait................why the hell is there an argument about NON V8 options of these cars?

it's simple. with a mustang or Camaro if you don't get a V8 you're a pole smoker.

end of argument//

He's choosing to debate facts... Lol. In reality though. I think the Camaro v6 is a compelling performance package. If they come out with more aggressive suspensions for the v6. This thing will be 100% competition for the Z.

Well not 100% cuz it's a 2+2 but you know what I mean.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

He's choosing to debate facts... Lol. In reality though. I think the Camaro v6 is a compelling performance package. If they come out with more aggressive suspensions for the v6. This thing will be 100% competition for the Z.

I'm not debating facts. I'm merely highlighting that this isn't exactly science. Configurations vary and what you consider to be an equivalent configuration might differ from what Subaruwrxfan thinks. And at the end of the day you are the one that "fact checked" him because his 8k or whatever claim was a little bit off of the 5k reality, as configured by you.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:45 AM

And to reiterate, value is both subjective and objective.

TerribleONE · 12-22-2015, 10:46 AM

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:58 AM

I suppose that's fair, however I feel like using the employee pricing (which is right around invoice) gives you a pretty fair comparison since you should expect to pay invoice or better for any car, even the new Camaro.

Also helps that Ford bumped prices across the board by $1300 recently. Not sure why.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:58 AM

Actually, that $1300 bump could be part of the discrepancy. Subaruwrxfan bought his Mustang long before the increase.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 12:31 PM

At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro.

I'll agree with you there, brother! I'd say I prefer the Mustang overall due to the look and the visibility/function. Unfortunately the Camaro's looks don't do much for me. I think it has one or two badass angles (front and front quarter) but other than that I don't see myself turning around to look at it as I walk away, if you know what I mean. I still would need to get some quality driving time with one before I could fully make a decision, though!

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 02:17 PM

From my perspective...

I prefer the mustang slightly in looks but the Camaro in stance.

I prefer the Camaro interior but prefer mustang e brake.

I prefer Camaro torque but prefer mustang high rev nature.

Steering in a Camaro is better

Seating position in a Camaro is much better.

Braking in a Camaro is better

Visibility in a Stang is better.

Street presence is tied.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 02:25 PM

I wish Ford would make the magic shocks an option on the GT.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 05:38 PM

Expanding on what you said about looks, I really love the Mustang from most all angles. I think it has a very classic and sexy shape, sort of like the Z does. Looks elegant in many ways.

The Camaro on the other hand is a total brute... sharp lines and creases chiseled from a brick basically. I love the front and front-quarter view, but am not a huge fan of the side profile or rear view.

I think the Camaro looks brilliant from this angle:

But not really this:

Or this:

I still really like it, though... Sometimes I wish I was diehard Ford or Chevy so I could just dismiss one or the other and not have to make any tough decisions.

Also, important to note that the Camaro in those pictures has the sunroof, which I've heard severely limits headroom. It also doesn't look very appealing. If I ordered a Camaro I'd get it without the sunroof so I could have the "double bubble" roof.

Source: CAMARO6 - View Single Post - Official HYPER BLUE 6th Gen Camaro Thread

Red__Zed · 12-22-2015, 09:00 PM

^ Camaro looks much better in that color

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-24-2015, 12:00 PM

There's a lot going on in the back of the Camaro. I think the back in black looks good. Also in the dark red and grey. Other colors the back starts looking a little strange.
Off the side it's average. It still looks like the old Camaro with a different back window.
The sunroof has less visual appeal. But Chevy makes a quality su roof. The vacuum effect in certain positions allows cool air to rush in without the need for AC on warm days. But I feel you on the hard top.

I just remembered... I made mention a year ago when I first posted this that the 2.0T would match or exceed the performance of the ecoboost based on its performance in the heavier ATS. I got nay sayed by someone and they gave me an ecoboost speech. A year later in practice, the proof is in the stats. With 40 horsepower deficit and less torque, is virtually a match to the ecoboost. Good job GM. Having driven the ATS 2.0T performance on a few occasions. I know that Camaro will be fun, torquey and quick. Doing more with less. This is why, we buy Japanese cars. They do more with less. GM did well with turbos in the 80's. They gave up on a niche they had locked. Glad to see them back.

12-22-2015, 10:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
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12-22-2015, 10:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	I suppose that's fair, however I feel like using the employee pricing (which is right around invoice) gives you a pretty fair comparison since you should expect to pay invoice or better for any car, even the new Camaro. Also helps that Ford bumped prices across the board by $1300 recently. Not sure why. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Actually, that $1300 bump could be part of the discrepancy. Subaruwrxfan bought his Mustang long before the increase. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 12:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

12-22-2015, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	From my perspective... I prefer the mustang slightly in looks but the Camaro in stance. I prefer the Camaro interior but prefer mustang e brake. I prefer Camaro torque but prefer mustang high rev nature. Steering in a Camaro is better Seating position in a Camaro is much better. Braking in a Camaro is better Visibility in a Stang is better. Street presence is tied. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 12-22-2015 at 03:18 PM.

12-22-2015, 02:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
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12-22-2015, 05:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Expanding on what you said about looks, I really love the Mustang from most all angles. I think it has a very classic and sexy shape, sort of like the Z does. Looks elegant in many ways. The Camaro on the other hand is a total brute... sharp lines and creases chiseled from a brick basically. I love the front and front-quarter view, but am not a huge fan of the side profile or rear view. I think the Camaro looks brilliant from this angle: But not really this: Or this: I still really like it, though... Sometimes I wish I was diehard Ford or Chevy so I could just dismiss one or the other and not have to make any tough decisions. Also, important to note that the Camaro in those pictures has the sunroof, which I've heard severely limits headroom. It also doesn't look very appealing. If I ordered a Camaro I'd get it without the sunroof so I could have the "double bubble" roof. Source: CAMARO6 - View Single Post - Official HYPER BLUE 6th Gen Camaro Thread __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 09:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	^ Camaro looks much better in that color

12-24-2015, 12:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	There's a lot going on in the back of the Camaro. I think the back in black looks good. Also in the dark red and grey. Other colors the back starts looking a little strange. Off the side it's average. It still looks like the old Camaro with a different back window. The sunroof has less visual appeal. But Chevy makes a quality su roof. The vacuum effect in certain positions allows cool air to rush in without the need for AC on warm days. But I feel you on the hard top. I just remembered... I made mention a year ago when I first posted this that the 2.0T would match or exceed the performance of the ecoboost based on its performance in the heavier ATS. I got nay sayed by someone and they gave me an ecoboost speech. A year later in practice, the proof is in the stats. With 40 horsepower deficit and less torque, is virtually a match to the ecoboost. Good job GM. Having driven the ATS 2.0T performance on a few occasions. I know that Camaro will be fun, torquey and quick. Doing more with less. This is why, we buy Japanese cars. They do more with less. GM did well with turbos in the 80's. They gave up on a niche they had locked. Glad to see them back. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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