2016 Alpha platform Camaro

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-17-2015, 04:00 PM

https://youtu.be/NzDaM9RFyWo

My man here she is... Lol

m4a1mustang · 12-17-2015, 04:02 PM

She's a cutie!

m4a1mustang · 12-17-2015, 04:03 PM

Almost makes me want to skip my nightly bang with Presto for a good ole fashioned hetero fap.

m4a1mustang · 12-19-2015, 10:02 AM

Ok so some of my non-driving thoughts on Camaro Vs. Mustang:

- I like the exterior design of the Mustang better. In person it has more of a sporty GT-type feel to it. The Camaro still looks good, but from some angles it doesn't give a "sports car" vibe.

- On the interior, I think the Camaro definitely has a more "modern" look and feel to it, but I don't like the placement of some of the bits. It's very stylized while the Mustang is a bit more classic in approach. I still like it, though. Materials are really good, like the new Mustang, with a bit more use of soft-touch leather (either real or synthetic) on the doors and the center tunnel. I like the look of the Mustang steering wheel and the feel of the Camaro's.

- Mustang has a more open feel to it on the inside, Camaro is more claustrophobic. Both still have a great aggressive feeling with the long hoods and relatively low seating position.

Either way they both appear to be fantastic values for the money. You really get a lot with both of the cars, and depending on your personal preferences, you can't go wrong with either.

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2015, 08:30 PM

Good video subaruwrxfan posted today.

He is right that similarly configured there is about a $5k difference with the Camaro being more expensive. Of course you get the HUD, mag ride, heated steering wheel, and dual mode exhaust with the Camaro.

Mustang might be easier to live with every day with more space and better visibility.

I am not really interested in buying a new car right now, but I would like to get out and drive the Camaro on a nice day.

I still prefer the look of the Mustang. It gives me a positive emotional response whereas I have no real reaction to the Camaro. I would be interested to see if that changes after driving it.

I drove the Mustang some time ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, though I felt like it still needed a bit more damping and spring rate. However the stock suspension was very comfortable and felt perfect for grand touring duty.

Curious to see if you could fit a car seat in either...

Red__Zed · 12-20-2015, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Curious to see if you could fit a car seat in either...

If you take the passenger seat out

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Good video subaruwrxfan posted today.

He is right that similarly configured there is about a $5k difference with the Camaro being more expensive. Of course you get the HUD, mag ride, heated steering wheel, and dual mode exhaust with the Camaro.

Mustang might be easier to live with every day with more space and better visibility.

I am not really interested in buying a new car right now, but I would like to get out and drive the Camaro on a nice day.

I still prefer the look of the Mustang. It gives me a positive emotional response whereas I have no real reaction to the Camaro. I would be interested to see if that changes after driving it.

I drove the Mustang some time ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, though I felt like it still needed a bit more damping and spring rate. However the stock suspension was very comfortable and felt perfect for grand touring duty.

Curious to see if you could fit a car seat in either...

I'm sorry but I did some fact checking and I call mega ******** on the pricing and packaging...

First off, if we're comparing his facts to the Chevy turbo.
He's off

0-60/quarter mile (manual)
Mustang ecoboost 5.5 seconds/13.9 seconds
Mustang v6 5.5 seconds/14.1 seconds.
Camaro 2.0T 5.6 seconds/ 14.0 seconds
Camaro v6 5.1 seconds 13.7 seconds

Weight
Mustang ecoboost 3,532lbs
Mustang v6 3,526lbs
Camaro turbo 3,400lbs
Camaro v6 3,339 lbs

Mustang ecoboost premium base price
Approx $30,500
Camaro 2.0T 2LT (Premium pkg equiv)
29,800
Camaro v6 2LT
32,790

Being that the Camaro v6 performance is greatly superior to the mustang v6 or turbo. The Chevy turbo is comparable to both mustang models. Secondly, the difference in weight in turbo models is 132lbs. Anything under 75lbs is almost equal, over 75lbs IMHO is a fair bit small difference, but over 125lbs is a decent difference. There's a 221lb difference between the v6. That's SIGNIFICANT

I view both turbos equally as you can't configure a mustang v6 with much. It's a base car in Ford where in Camaro 4 and 6 are more performance choices than base options. Base cars in both are 1LT packages. Not so much engines.

I configured a mustang, equally loaded to a turbo 4 mustang and the Camaro with manual transmission was
Approx $36,000 the mustang was $38,000 and the v6 was approximately $40,000. So I found the pricing perspective to have a lot of bias and subjectivity to the opinion. But when you load both cars out. You really see that the difference is miniscule. And at base price, you get more in your Camaro standard than you do in your Mustang

Everything else is his opinion, but facts were kind of skewed to show bias as to appease mustang fanboys.

SS guise, weights narrow up significantly against the GT. The SS is only 44 lbs lighter which is miniscule. But the Camaro engineering exceeds mustang significantly.
I will update on Max loaded prices momentarily

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 09:37 AM

I don't think anything has been skewed intentionally. When I do a build of the Camaro using Chevy's employee pricing (what I would pay) I come out to just under $43,000. If I build a Mustang using invoice pricing (the maximum I would pay) I come out to $39,000. That's a $4,000 difference right there.

No matter what, if I configure the SS/GT in the way I would order them, the Camaro is always more expensive. I agree that you do get more options in the Camaro which adds to the price, but still, that's real money.

I don't see any attempt to appeal to any fanboys. I think you're just splitting hairs, to be honest.

You have to understand that this is just a kid on Youtube who reviews cars. I don't think he has a fact checking team to make sure every number he keeps in his head is spot on.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't think anything has been skewed intentionally. When I do a build of the Camaro using Chevy's employee pricing (what I would pay) I come out to just under $43,000. If I build a Mustang using invoice pricing (the maximum I would pay) I come out to $39,000. That's a $4,000 difference right there.

No matter what, if I configure the SS/GT in the way I would order them, the Camaro is always more expensive. I agree that you do get more options in the Camaro which adds to the price, but still, that's real money.

I don't see any attempt to appeal to any fanboys. I think you're just splitting hairs, to be honest.

You have to understand that this is just a kid on Youtube who reviews cars. I don't think he has a fact checking team to make sure every number he keeps in his head is spot on.

Not quite splitting hairs at all. It is skewed because his words were. His ecoboost comes in at 33,000 and a comparable Camaro is $5,000 more. I'm talking on the side of the ecoboost and I am not splitting hairs. I brought completely researched FACTS.
It's OK to prefer the mustang. I really think from an aesthetics standpoint. It's give and take between the two cars. But the Chevy 4 banger is more than competitive and sub v8 mustang isn't quite the value he expressed it as.

He's been reviewing cars a long time n he's one of my favorite reviewers. If he's gonna make a "value" statement" on his ecoboost. It better be factual Because, he's making himself an authority on the topic

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:23 AM

$5k is still a lot. It might not be the $8k or whatever he said, but that's a big number for most people.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

$5k is still a lot. It might not be the $8k or whatever he said, but that's a big number for most people.

Hello... If you look at the numbers. The turbo 4 is $2000 cheaper than the ecoboost.
The v6 is $2,000 more expensive.

WHERE $5,000 CAME FROM? Maybe on the GT's. But he price checked his own car.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:31 AM

FWIW, when I configure an Ecoboost vs a Camaro V6, I come up with 32k (Truecar) for the Ford and $36k (GM Employee) for the Camaro. The general theme here is that the Mustang configuration will likely be cheaper than that of the Camaro, regardless of the model.

You also have to remember that the concept of "value" includes both objective and subjective components.

Some people here find great value in paying nearly $50k for a 2015 Nismo...

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

FWIW, when I configure an Ecoboost vs a Camaro V6, I come up with 32k (Truecar) for the Ford and $36k (GM Employee) for the Camaro. The general theme here is that the Mustang configuration will likely be cheaper than that of the Camaro, regardless of the model.

You also have to remember that the concept of "value" includes both objective and subjective components.

Some people here find great value in paying nearly $50k for a 2015 Nismo...

To make a determination on price I optioned out from MSRP's. As true car will give you a guesstimated what people average.

Fully loaded from Ford I got $38,000leather, premium package optional colors etc.
I did the same with Chevy.

It is all relative.

His case kinda holds true for v8 models as the

V8 mustang premium is 37,295
2SS V8 IS $41,300

CHEVY is more expensive as a v8 by $3,995

The v8 is where the mustang wins in value.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

To make a determination on price I optioned out from MSRP's. As true car will give you a guesstimated what people average.

Fully loaded from Ford I got $38,000leather, premium package optional colors etc.
I did the same with Chevy.

It is all relative.

His case kinda holds true for v8 models as the

V8 mustang premium is 37,295
2SS V8 IS $41,300

CHEVY is more expensive as a v8 by $3,995

The v8 is where the mustang wins in value.

I used True Car and GM Employee pricing for a reason... it's very close to what you actually pay for the car in the real world.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I used True Car and GM Employee pricing for a reason... it's very close to what you actually pay for the car in the real world.

I get that, but next year there won't be a premium on Camaro. Since the Camaro is all new. Averages will be different. Like last year when mustang dropped. Camaro was giving $2,500 bonus cash to make sure they sell so it's all relative. I'm going by manufacturer because over the 6+year model range.these are the numbers that will begin to blur into each other . As we saw with the last gen cars.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Ok so some of my non-driving thoughts on Camaro Vs. Mustang: - I like the exterior design of the Mustang better. In person it has more of a sporty GT-type feel to it. The Camaro still looks good, but from some angles it doesn't give a "sports car" vibe. - On the interior, I think the Camaro definitely has a more "modern" look and feel to it, but I don't like the placement of some of the bits. It's very stylized while the Mustang is a bit more classic in approach. I still like it, though. Materials are really good, like the new Mustang, with a bit more use of soft-touch leather (either real or synthetic) on the doors and the center tunnel. I like the look of the Mustang steering wheel and the feel of the Camaro's. - Mustang has a more open feel to it on the inside, Camaro is more claustrophobic. Both still have a great aggressive feeling with the long hoods and relatively low seating position. Either way they both appear to be fantastic values for the money. You really get a lot with both of the cars, and depending on your personal preferences, you can't go wrong with either. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-20-2015, 08:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Good video subaruwrxfan posted today. He is right that similarly configured there is about a $5k difference with the Camaro being more expensive. Of course you get the HUD, mag ride, heated steering wheel, and dual mode exhaust with the Camaro. Mustang might be easier to live with every day with more space and better visibility. I am not really interested in buying a new car right now, but I would like to get out and drive the Camaro on a nice day. I still prefer the look of the Mustang. It gives me a positive emotional response whereas I have no real reaction to the Camaro. I would be interested to see if that changes after driving it. I drove the Mustang some time ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, though I felt like it still needed a bit more damping and spring rate. However the stock suspension was very comfortable and felt perfect for grand touring duty. Curious to see if you could fit a car seat in either... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 09:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	I don't think anything has been skewed intentionally. When I do a build of the Camaro using Chevy's employee pricing (what I would pay) I come out to just under $43,000. If I build a Mustang using invoice pricing (the maximum I would pay) I come out to $39,000. That's a $4,000 difference right there. No matter what, if I configure the SS/GT in the way I would order them, the Camaro is always more expensive. I agree that you do get more options in the Camaro which adds to the price, but still, that's real money. I don't see any attempt to appeal to any fanboys. I think you're just splitting hairs, to be honest. You have to understand that this is just a kid on Youtube who reviews cars. I don't think he has a fact checking team to make sure every number he keeps in his head is spot on. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	$5k is still a lot. It might not be the $8k or whatever he said, but that's a big number for most people. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	FWIW, when I configure an Ecoboost vs a Camaro V6, I come up with 32k (Truecar) for the Ford and $36k (GM Employee) for the Camaro. The general theme here is that the Mustang configuration will likely be cheaper than that of the Camaro, regardless of the model. You also have to remember that the concept of "value" includes both objective and subjective components. Some people here find great value in paying nearly $50k for a 2015 Nismo... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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