Maserati's first ever commercial

Chuck33079 · 02-05-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

Issues are just that. There a lot of folks who value an experience over simple reliability. If a car appeals to me in the soul and I have the money I go for it. Stats are great and they never cover the intangible experience some vehicles bring.

The intangible experience of driving a loaner car while mine is in the shop? I'll pass.

kenchan · 02-05-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The intangible experience of driving a loaner car while mine is in the shop? I'll pass.

lol, my dealer gave me a cobalt to use for a week.

it was such a pos i parked it at work and had my wife pick me up. lol it had 2miles on it when i returned it, and the dealer was like wtf?

DLSTR · 02-05-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The intangible experience of driving a loaner car while mine is in the shop? I'll pass.

Ridiculous. Cars break. Read this site much?

Loaners are also given out for routine service appts as well. Now that we have cleared that up.

kenchan · 02-05-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

Yes Italian and German cars suck...really? Lets talk about Toyota and recalls etc. No car manufacturer has an issue free existence.

but we all know some are consistently worse than others...

and it better be good if someone's going to be paying top dollar for a specialty car.

kenchan · 02-05-2014, 03:27 PM

appeals to the soul... very uncommon for japanese cars. maybe classic cars like datsun days.

cars are just tools for most people. like a screw driver. yes, it is nice to have wera and wiha driver set as i do. but for most people they dont mind their pos stanley screw driver they bought at target or homedepot (when they went out for garden trim, plasti-shitt

).

Cmike2780 · 02-05-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

And I know someone will bring it up, yes, for $100,000 you can get a GTR, BUT... I want something that is fast and looks sexy too. The GTR isn't that. The Maserati is.

And for high 60's, this doesn't look bad at all, to me.

I doubt the $60k Ghibli will be any faster than a 5.0 Mustang or 370Z for that matter....Luxurious & looks good, yes...but nowhere near GT-R or Corvette fast. Completely different target markets. It's an XFR/CTS/S6/M5 competitor and fits right in with that segment.

Haboob · 02-05-2014, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I doubt the $60k Ghibli will be any faster than a 5.0 Mustang or 370Z for that matter....Luxurious & looks good, yes...but nowhere near GT-R or Corvette fast. Completely different target markets. It's an XFR/CTS/S6/M5 competitor and fits right in with that segment.

I bet it would be, but never did I say it'd be near GTR fast. Just saying it looks miles sexier than the GTR and Corvette (C7).

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DLSTR · 02-06-2014, 02:17 AM

Since we digressed to a quality discussion by origin here is the US ranking from JD power of Cars(not SUV etc)

Top Rated Cars - 2013 Initial Quality Study

35 cars ranked:

Euro models 10 chosen
Asian - 18 models chosen
US - 7

Not bad for these horrible Euro models of which I own one listed(GTi). Asian models continue to do well. I own one listed my- 370Z. Glad I have both spectrums covered

On topic - Maserati sales have exploded(virturally doubled from 2012 numbers), and from what the local dealer tells me they have a good reputation here for quality.

That being said German models are sophisticated(maybe too sophisticated) and in terms of electronics have more issues. The Germans think they do electronics well but in actuality its Asian makers who do the best. Styling wise I think Euro makers do the best in terms of looks.

Chuck33079 · 02-06-2014, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

Since we digressed to a quality discussion by origin here is the US ranking from JD power of Cars(not SUV etc)

Top Rated Cars - 2013 Initial Quality Study

35 cars ranked:

Euro models 10 chosen

Asian - 18 models chosen

US - 7

Not bad for these horrible Euro models of which I own one listed(GTi). Asian models continue to do well. I own one listed my- 370Z. Glad I have both spectrums covered

On topic - Maserati sales have exploded(virturally doubled from 2012 numbers), and from what the local dealer tells me they have a good reputation here for quality.

That being said German models are sophisticated(maybe too sophisticated) and in terms of electronics have more issues. The Germans think they do electronics well but in actuality its Asian makers who do the best. Styling wise I think Euro makers do the best in terms of looks.

Jd power initial quality isn't a good metric. I would hope that any car holds up well at first. It's 100k later that I'm concerned about. Since you seem dead set on defending the euro cars, tell me this- would you own a German car out of warranty to 100k miles?

"J.D. Power has released the results of its latest Initial Quality Study (IQS), the company's industry benchmark study that measures new-vehicle quality after the first 90 days of ownership. A key finding of this year's study is that nearly two-thirds of the problems experienced in the first 90 days of ownership are related to the vehicle's design, as opposed to components that malfunction. For example, the component may be working as designed, but owners deem it a problem because it may be difficult to understand or operate"

See? The way they measure quality has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. If you were dead set on a JD Power study, you should have referenced this- http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm

Oh, except there is only one Euro car on the list.

DLSTR · 02-06-2014, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Jd power initial quality isn't a good metric. I would hope that any car holds up well at first. It's 100k later that I'm concerned about. Since you seem dead set on defending the euro cars, tell me this- would you own a German car out of warranty to 100k miles?

"J.D. Power has released the results of its latest Initial Quality Study (IQS), the company's industry benchmark study that measures new-vehicle quality after the first 90 days of ownership. A key finding of this year's study is that nearly two-thirds of the problems experienced in the first 90 days of ownership are related to the vehicle's design, as opposed to components that malfunction. For example, the component may be working as designed, but owners deem it a problem because it may be difficult to understand or operate"

See? The way they measure quality has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. If you were dead set on a JD Power study, you should have referenced this- Top Rated Cars, SUVs & Trucks - Car Reliability Ratings - 2013 Vehicle Dependability Study

Oh, except there is only one Euro car on the list.

When owners actually read the manual its amazing what can be learned about one's car LOL!

I could care less how many Euro's are on the list. If it was zero Id still have my GTi or any other EURO car Ive owned. Im happy the Z was on the link I sent out. I will sleep better now......really.

Chuck33079 · 02-05-2014, 03:48 PM

Easy there dude. I'm not insulting Das Fatherland. I'm just pointing out the fact that the heirarchy of car reliability goes something like this:

Japanese
Korean
German
American

Italian

British

kenchan · 02-05-2014, 03:50 PM

i suppose euro cars are at best a mistress or girlfriend. not a wife you'd commit yourself to.

Chuck33079 · 02-05-2014, 03:51 PM

You lease German cars. Then you can give them back.

DEpointfive0 · 02-06-2014, 03:03 AM

Lol, JD Power

Grindkiezer · 02-06-2014, 03:39 AM

This car doesn't sound like this in person. And it's kinda

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	appeals to the soul... very uncommon for japanese cars. maybe classic cars like datsun days. cars are just tools for most people. like a screw driver. yes, it is nice to have wera and wiha driver set as i do. but for most people they dont mind their pos stanley screw driver they bought at target or homedepot (when they went out for garden trim, plasti-shitt ).

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DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21268	Since we digressed to a quality discussion by origin here is the US ranking from JD power of Cars(not SUV etc) Top Rated Cars - 2013 Initial Quality Study 35 cars ranked: Euro models 10 chosen Asian - 18 models chosen US - 7 Not bad for these horrible Euro models of which I own one listed(GTi). Asian models continue to do well. I own one listed my- 370Z. Glad I have both spectrums covered On topic - Maserati sales have exploded(virturally doubled from 2012 numbers), and from what the local dealer tells me they have a good reputation here for quality. That being said German models are sophisticated(maybe too sophisticated) and in terms of electronics have more issues. The Germans think they do electronics well but in actuality its Asian makers who do the best. Styling wise I think Euro makers do the best in terms of looks.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i suppose euro cars are at best a mistress or girlfriend. not a wife you'd commit yourself to.