New kia GT4?

Mt Tam I am · 01-03-2014, 10:49 AM

KIA is not a name normally associated with high performance. Let's see how this one shakes out.

6MT · 01-03-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

KIA is not a name normally associated with high performance. Let's see how this one shakes out.

...ibtl

Drakonis GTR · 01-03-2014, 01:00 PM

I've noticed that the korean automakers were ditching the larger engines and going with turbos to make up the slack. OF course, I was told that Hyundai was buying their V6s from Mitsubishi, so I can understand if they would rather not have to buy when they could build.

My experience with rental Optimas and Sonatas tells me that they don't have the acceleration with the turbo I4s as they did with the V6s. So personally I am not a fan of the trend. There is no replacement for displacement.

Drakonis GTR · 01-03-2014, 01:03 PM

OF course, Kia has been experimenting with a sports car for several years now. Honestly, I'm surprised that it has taken them this long. But again, this is another concept, so we'll see if they actually go through with it, or just keep making econo-cars.

Rockhound · 01-03-2014, 01:56 PM

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However, I'll be dead before KIA can be talked about in the same breath as Nissan, Toyota or Honda. I am sure that day will come, but I won't be here to care.

In some regards, they already are talked about "in the same breath", it's not like we're talking about the original Hyundai Excel. Right now they're borrowing a page or two from the playbook the Japanese Big 3 used in the 80s/90s to gain market share: offer "more" (that's subjective) for less, and include a lengthy warranty.

I've never owned a Kia, and likely won't anytime soon, but why the ire toward them?

As a Japanese car enthusiast I'm glad the Korean competition is there to keep the Big 3 from getting complacent, as they had been over the last decade (especially Toyota).

Firebase99 · 01-03-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound

In some regards, they already are talked about "in the same breath", it's not like we're talking about the original Hyundai Excel. Right now they're borrowing a page or two from the playbook the Japanese Big 3 used in the 80s/90s to gain market share: offer "more" (that's subjective) for less, and include a lengthy warranty.

I've never owned a Kia, and likely won't anytime soon, but why the ire toward them?

As a Japanese car enthusiast I'm glad the Korean competition is there to keep the Big 3 from getting complacent, as they had been over the last decade (especially Toyota).

This^^ Competition is a very good thing.

Eclipz · 01-03-2014, 04:50 PM

Soon the Korean cars will be on top of the food chain.

shadoquad · 01-03-2014, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound

In some regards, they already are talked about "in the same breath", it's not like we're talking about the original Hyundai Excel. Right now they're borrowing a page or two from the playbook the Japanese Big 3 used in the 80s/90s to gain market share: offer "more" (that's subjective) for less, and include a lengthy warranty.

I've never owned a Kia, and likely won't anytime soon, but why the ire toward them?

As a Japanese car enthusiast I'm glad the Korean competition is there to keep the Big 3 from getting complacent, as they had been over the last decade (especially Toyota).

well said. Can't wait to see what Kia's boffins can do. May not be a huge success, but it's a good sign when a company is thinking forward like this.

Justice97 · 01-03-2014, 06:22 PM

OK never mind it's ugly.

If this is the side view?

Cell · 01-03-2014, 10:51 PM

It's nice to see more sports cars coming out for bigger competition.

What I would like to see is more competition against the EVO/STI and maybe even a car company coming out with something to compete against the GTR at a cheaper price.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-04-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakonis GTR

I've noticed that the korean automakers were ditching the larger engines and going with turbos to make up the slack. OF course, I was told that Hyundai was buying their V6s from Mitsubishi, so I can understand if they would rather not have to buy when they could build.

My experience with rental Optimas and Sonatas tells me that they don't have the acceleration with the turbo I4s as they did with the V6s. So personally I am not a fan of the trend. There is no replacement for displacement.

I'm guessing GTR are just letters to you. Lol

preR35 · 01-12-2014, 06:30 PM

The "but it's a Kia" comments and "no replacement for displacement" comments are kinda ignorant IMO. I may have agreed with you in 1994 ;-)

Cell · 01-12-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by preR35

The "but it's a Kia" comments and "no replacement for displacement" comments are kinda ignorant IMO. I may have agreed with you in 1994 ;-)

I agree to the first part but not the second.

There is no replacement for displacement.

This is why people go with bigger displacement to make bigger power. Look at some people that turbo their cars and also modified their engines to increase the displacement.

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preR35 · 01-12-2014, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell

I agree to the first part but not the second.

There is no replacement for displacement.

This is why people go with bigger displacement to make bigger power. Look at some people that turbo their cars and also modified their engines to increase the displacement.

Look at some people with large displacement engines that also add forced induction.

Lol, just being a smartass.

Anyway, my argument is that I wouldn't write-off a new sports car
just because it uses a turbo-4. I imagine a BRZ-type car with FI and better appointments/quality would be a pleasure to own. :cheers:

Vertigo · 01-13-2014, 03:20 PM

Looks pretty nice to me.

01-03-2014, 10:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
Mt Tam I am A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Posts: 10,709 Drives: 370Z T/S/N 6MT & XKE Rep Power: 3842	KIA is not a name normally associated with high performance. Let's see how this one shakes out. __________________ "Does the carpet match the drapes? NO!!! I don't date bald women." Nissan Motorsports 34R Oil Cooler. Stillen CBE. Hotchkis Sport Sway Bars. KW Variant 3 Coilover System. Stillen Gen3 CAI. Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Stillen Brake Ducts. Carbotech™ XP10/XP8 Pads. Z1 Front Rotors. Z1 Stainless Brake Lines. Two degrees of camber

01-03-2014, 01:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
Drakonis GTR Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154 Drives: 09' 370Z B/S Rd M6 Rep Power: 12	I've noticed that the korean automakers were ditching the larger engines and going with turbos to make up the slack. OF course, I was told that Hyundai was buying their V6s from Mitsubishi, so I can understand if they would rather not have to buy when they could build. My experience with rental Optimas and Sonatas tells me that they don't have the acceleration with the turbo I4s as they did with the V6s. So personally I am not a fan of the trend. There is no replacement for displacement. __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Base w/ Sport Package F.I . LTHs with Non-Resonated Cat-back exhaust (C.F.) / Stillen Gen3 CAI / Up-Rev Tune

01-03-2014, 01:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
Drakonis GTR Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154 Drives: 09' 370Z B/S Rd M6 Rep Power: 12	OF course, Kia has been experimenting with a sports car for several years now. Honestly, I'm surprised that it has taken them this long. But again, this is another concept, so we'll see if they actually go through with it, or just keep making econo-cars. __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Base w/ Sport Package F.I . LTHs with Non-Resonated Cat-back exhaust (C.F.) / Stillen Gen3 CAI / Up-Rev Tune

01-03-2014, 06:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Justice97 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: San Antonio Posts: 387 Drives: 11 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 15	OK never mind it's ugly. If this is the side view? Last edited by Justice97; 01-03-2014 at 06:27 PM.

01-12-2014, 06:30 PM	#27 (permalink)
preR35 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: NY Posts: 72 Drives: 09 370Z Sport 6spd Rep Power: 11	The "but it's a Kia" comments and "no replacement for displacement" comments are kinda ignorant IMO. I may have agreed with you in 1994 ;-) UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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Eclipz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tampa Posts: 360 Drives: 06 Eclipse GS Rep Power: 11	Soon the Korean cars will be on top of the food chain.

01-03-2014, 10:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
Cell A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,449 Drives: A Garbage Truck Rep Power: 21	It's nice to see more sports cars coming out for bigger competition. What I would like to see is more competition against the EVO/STI and maybe even a car company coming out with something to compete against the GTR at a cheaper price.

01-13-2014, 03:20 PM	#30 (permalink)
Vertigo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 15,476 Drives: 370z / R32 Rep Power: 220	Looks pretty nice to me.