2014 camaro Z/28

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Plus, the ZL1 already makes me drool a bit.

I quite like it.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-28-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah, and some people pay $40k+ for a Z. That's just life.

Don't forget that a fully loading touring,sport, convert hits a laughable $50,000.

I love my Z and i don't gripe about what I paid for it because i fought my azz off to get my $3,100 discount. If i had to pay MSRP? A Z wouldn't be in my driveway. Also, My MSRP in 2011 was $1500 cheaper than now. I don't see any value in the refresh price increase,

Mikes350z · 03-28-2013, 07:44 AM

While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception.

To me most people think mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back. I didnt say its an exclusive club no one can be in, I said the perception of the Z is just that, people think they are expensive cars and most can't obtain them. But maybe thats just my experience from peoples statements to me about the car? Who knows?

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikes350z

While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception.

To me most people think mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back. I didnt say its an exclusive club no one can be in, I said the perception of the Z is just that, people think they are expensive cars and most can't obtain them. But maybe thats just my experience from peoples statements to me about the car? Who knows?

Exclusive was the wrong word, then. Rare? Relatively, yes, it's a rare car.

But the Mustang 5.0, Camaro SS, and 370Z all cost about the same. If you can afford one, you can easily afford the other. So no, a "select few" do not own the 370z. And I haven't met anyone that thought the Z was expensive... but maybe that has to do with where I live. It's a cheap car here.

Mikes350z · 03-28-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Exclusive was the wrong word, then. Rare? Relatively, yes, it's a rare car.

But the Mustang 5.0, Camaro SS, and 370Z all cost about the same. If you can afford one, you can easily afford the other. So no, a "select few" do not own the 370z.

Absolutely and thats what I was trying to say perhaps wrongly conveyed. The Z isnt owned by a select few because that implies we are selected somehow like someone buying a Ferrari Enzo. The perception however by people at least in my circles is that its an expensive car out of peoples price range.

I agree and always tell people it costs the same to get into fully loaded Mustangs and Camaros but thats I guess where "rare" comes into play whereas I wrote "exclusive." There just arent as many Z's compared to a stang or camaro so people automatically assume its rarity goes hand in hand with an aire of exclusivity so to speak.

After all this feedback I guess ALL I meant was that the Z to me looks better overall and while not as fast I'd take great looks and good speed over great speed and ok looks.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-28-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikes350z

While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception.

To me most people thing mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back.

But who knows?

They're intimidated by the cost of foreign parts but don't know that Nissan parts are close in price to domestics. Most people feel they can fix a camaro or mustang in their garage while they are intimdated by the Z's advanced engines and the possible cost of repair or not having enough room in the bay to fix an issue without expensive equipment. Also, 4 seats can save you $300 annually in car insurance over 2 seats.

The Z is a Cult car, not an exclusive car.

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

They're intimidated by the cost of foreign parts but don't know that Nissan parts are close in price to domestics. Most people feel they can fix a camaro or mustang in their garage while they are intimdated by the Z's advanced engines and the possible cost of repair or not having enough room in the bay to fix an issue without expensive equipment. Also, 4 seats can save you $300 annually in car insurance over 2 seats.

The Z is a Cult car, not an exclusive car.

The Z's engine is no more advanced than a Mustang 5.0 to fix. It's one of the easiest cars to work on save for the demon bolt.

Mikes350z · 03-28-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

They're intimidated by the cost of foreign parts but don't know that Nissan parts are close in price to domestics. Most people feel they can fix a camaro or mustang in their garage while they are intimdated by the Z's advanced engines and the possible cost of repair or not having enough room in the bay to fix an issue without expensive equipment. Also, 4 seats can save you $300 annually in car insurance over 2 seats.

The Z is a Cult car, not an exclusive car.

Well put. And from now on I shall use the term cult, I guess as I stated up above exclusive was wrongly used when I lacked a better term.

ImportConvert · 03-28-2013, 08:06 AM

I never went for the Camaro's looks, and I wouldn't buy this one with the new platform right around the corner, just like I wouldn't buy a '14 mustang GT, either. I'd sit tight, wait it out a year, see what comes out, wait another year and see if it has some fatal flaws or not, and THEN make my decision. That's just me. We are in no-man's land right now for automobiles. Everyone is raiding parts-bins trying to slap together something to boost sales for the last 1-2 YM's of aging platforms.

ImportConvert · 03-28-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The Z's engine is no more advanced than a Mustang 5.0 to fix. It's one of the easiest cars to work on save for the demon bolt.

Fair enough, but I'd MUCH RATHER be wrenching under the hood of a corvette than under the hood of a mustang, camaro, or 370Z. Same for a Viper. Both of those cars are heaven to work on, comparatively...except the 'vette transmission.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-28-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The Z's engine is no more advanced than a Mustang 5.0 to fix. It's one of the easiest cars to work on save for the demon bolt.

We know that... But a lot of people that stick to domestics don't.

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2013, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

We know that... But a lot of people that stick to domestics don't.

I don't know about that. Most of the domestic people I know know that since the 350 the Z has been VQ powered. Common engine, easy to work on.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-28-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't know about that. Most of the domestic people I know know that since the 350 the Z has been VQ powered. Common engine, easy to work on.

Not here in Tx. People think my engine is some kind of complicated marvel. They see twin intakes and trip out. lol

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2013, 08:30 AM

Interesting. I have never experienced these reactions.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-28-2013, 08:50 AM

The people who think it's really expensive are the same people who think it's a Porsche....or people who can't afford one anyway. At least that's what I've experienced.

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Mikes350z Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 248 Drives: 09 370Z MagBlack M6 Rep Power: 13	While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception. To me most people think mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back. I didnt say its an exclusive club no one can be in, I said the perception of the Z is just that, people think they are expensive cars and most can't obtain them. But maybe thats just my experience from peoples statements to me about the car? Who knows? __________________ '09 370Z Touring w/Sport & Nav 6-Speed Magnetic Black Persimmon HKS NAV Tool Backup Camera 35% Tint SOLD 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude Dark Gray Last edited by Mikes350z; 03-28-2013 at 07:48 AM.

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	I never went for the Camaro's looks, and I wouldn't buy this one with the new platform right around the corner, just like I wouldn't buy a '14 mustang GT, either. I'd sit tight, wait it out a year, see what comes out, wait another year and see if it has some fatal flaws or not, and THEN make my decision. That's just me. We are in no-man's land right now for automobiles. Everyone is raiding parts-bins trying to slap together something to boost sales for the last 1-2 YM's of aging platforms.