2013 Chevy Camaro SS 1LE

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-30-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

You also get more utility out of it than you do a C6.

If i do get a vette? I might as well go for the gusto and get a C7.

Econ · 01-30-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

If i do get a vette? I might as well go for the gusto and get a C7.

So much talk of the C7 lately, i feel like it's outdated already. You should wait for the C8in 2021.

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

If i do get a vette? I might as well go for the gusto and get a C7.

Yeah no way would I spend on a C6 right now knowing whats coming.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-30-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Econ

So much talk of the C7 lately, i feel like it's outdated already. You should wait for the C8in 2021.

I rather get the camaro. And im waiting only because we are about 24 months away from the next gen camaro and im very happy with my Z. Waiting also allows me to keep my Z.
The Camaro next gen Camaro is also my contingency car, if the next gen Z doesn't impress me. The way things are going in nissan as a whole... I dont think the Z35 is going to do much for me in terms of excitement.

b1adesofcha0s · 01-30-2013, 05:25 PM

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-30-2013, 09:40 PM

I expected this result, only because, everyone is saying the 1LE is comparable to the BOSS 302 for $10k less and more planted. They keep saying more planted than the stang. IRS of course WINS!!!

b1adesofcha0s · 01-30-2013, 09:57 PM

Wonder how much of the difference in lap times can be accounted for by the difference in tire size/model.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-30-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Wonder how much of the difference in lap times can be accounted for by the difference in tire size/model.

Not sure but i'm pretty sure the majority of it is the wider range of tuning capability for IRS vs LA suspension and the type of track they were on. Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage.

ImportConvert · 01-30-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah no way would I spend on a C6 right now knowing whats coming.

C6 = high 20's right now. It's the most car for your money if you don't care about the interior, and if you're looking at a Camaro, well...you obviously don't.

ImportConvert · 01-30-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I rather get the camaro. And im waiting only because we are about 24 months away from the next gen camaro and im very happy with my Z. Waiting also allows me to keep my Z.
The Camaro next gen Camaro is also my contingency car, if the next gen Z doesn't impress me. The way things are going in nissan as a whole... I dont think the Z35 is going to do much for me in terms of excitement.

I'm looking to the '15 mustang. My car is wrecked and I'm just holding out to see:
How well it's fixed.
If I still feel happy driving it.

If I do, and it's great, I'll drive it into the ground and have no note for a while. If not, '15 GT looks nice. Ford is fixing the "edgy" styling to flow more (taste), and going IRS, and their interiors are already very respectable.

b1adesofcha0s · 01-30-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I'm looking to the '15 mustang. My car is wrecked and I'm just holding out to see:
How well it's fixed.
If I still feel happy driving it.

If I do, and it's great, I'll drive it into the ground and have no note for a while. If not, '15 GT looks nice. Ford is fixing the "edgy" styling to flow more (taste), and going IRS, and their interiors are already very respectable.

I'll be looking at the next gen 5.0 and the C7 as possible next cars. Which one I pick depends on the specs of both cars and what my needs are in like 2 years. Most likely the Mustang since it would be a better DD and cheaper as well. I'll probably throw the next gen Camaro into the mix too if it turns out well.

Jordo! · 01-31-2013, 03:06 AM

Impressive performance from the Camaro.

Still not a fan of the looks tho'. Sure wish they'd bring back the Firebird

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-31-2013, 07:43 AM

I was looking for a SRT8 comparo when i found this
2012 Boss 302 vs. 2010 Camaro SS on Road Course - AmericanMuscle.com - YouTube

and this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OE4AH4DZtEI

and this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FF-db7bX9LI

The final review. He hits it on the head with the mustang. You feel like you're sitting on it instead of in it. SEATING position has always been the biggest deal breaker for me.

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Not sure but i'm pretty sure the majority of it is the wider range of tuning capability for IRS vs LA suspension and the type of track they were on. Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage.

It's much less about IRS and much more about tires and a better shock package on the Camaro.

"Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage."

Explain to me how?

IRS can typically achieve higher mid corner speeds than SRA (hello camber gain and bumpsteer), but solid axles have inherent advantages at corner entry and exit. It is generally very difficult to make an IRS system outperform a solid axle at all three points. The biggest difference between IRS/SRA on track is going to be the unsprung weight disadvantage of the solid axle.

IRS or not, the Camaro has the superior tire and shock package. There's no getting around that.

Oh, and I don't have a solid axle car anymore so don't call me a fanboi.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-31-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's much less about IRS and much more about tires and a better shock package on the Camaro.

"Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage."

Explain to me how?

IRS can typically achieve higher mid corner speeds than SRA (hello camber gain and bumpsteer), but solid axles have inherent advantages at corner entry and exit. It is generally very difficult to make an IRS system outperform a solid axle at all three points. The biggest difference between IRS/SRA on track is going to be the unsprung weight disadvantage of the solid axle.

IRS or not, the Camaro has the superior tire and shock package. There's no getting around that.

Oh, and I don't have a solid axle car anymore so don't call me a fanboi.

You lost me with the fanboi comment.

Your explanation is why i thought the camaro won. The track looked like it was designed where entry and exit was more important than midcorner speeds on this "particular track" It wasn't that it was curvy that gave the camaro the advantage, it was more like the type of curve. I know the mustang has "the advantage on many types of tracks. But Willow just looked like on film like IRS would have an advantage on that track.

I was specific in saying IRS had an advantage on "THAT" track, but you went and jumped the gun thinking I was generalizing. FANBOY REACTION!!!

Oh you're right about the camaro having a better shock and tire set-up and that is the GENERAL advantage on the camaro. Live axle is the general advantage of the mustang being a track car...

Sorry i didn't explain what i mean, when i said it's very curvy, maybe i should have elaborated but... Damn.

01-30-2013, 05:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Wonder how much of the difference in lap times can be accounted for by the difference in tire size/model. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 417	Impressive performance from the Camaro. Still not a fan of the looks tho'. Sure wish they'd bring back the Firebird __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

01-31-2013, 07:43 AM	#43 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	I was looking for a SRT8 comparo when i found this 2012 Boss 302 vs. 2010 Camaro SS on Road Course - AmericanMuscle.com - YouTube and this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OE4AH4DZtEI and this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FF-db7bX9LI The final review. He hits it on the head with the mustang. You feel like you're sitting on it instead of in it. SEATING position has always been the biggest deal breaker for me. Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 01-31-2013 at 08:02 AM.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	I expected this result, only because, everyone is saying the 1LE is comparable to the BOSS 302 for $10k less and more planted. They keep saying more planted than the stang. IRS of course WINS!!!