2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah even, The M3 and stang ge close in times around the track as did the porsche cayman s and 370z when R&T raced them. Remember, thoe porsche and Z alone on a track had a tighter race than them lumped up with other cars in the lightning lap.

Same thing happened with the stang and M3. But getting close lap times doesn't make 2 cars close to each other. It's still the sword vs the hatchet comparo.

If you've ever driven the cars in question, it's quite obvious that the Mustang and 370Z are much closer than the 370Z and the Cayman S--which should come as no surprise to anyone who understands physics.

The Mustang and the Z share handling dynamics far more closely than most here would like to admit. If anything, the Z brings with it more of the slow-me-down push than the Mustang does.

There's a lot of give-and-take between the Mustang & Z in terms of handling (SRA issus vs toe-steer, weight vs balance) that makes the evaluation somewhat subjective. If you prefer a car that rotates easily, the Mustang will likely be your preference, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. On the other hand, if you'd like something smaller and lower-slung, the Z is a no-brainer, as long as you don't mind pushing a bit more in the turns (or running 305s up front).

As compared to the Cayman S, there's really no give and take--the only thing the Z has on the Cayman is straight-line power(and cost!). The brilliant and precise chassis in the Z pales in comparison to that of the Cayman. The engine placement and balance puts the Z (and frankly, most other cars) to shame.

The gap between the Z and S is far bigger than the Z and Stang...as you might expect given the price. The M3, 370Z, and Mustang all share a pretty similar handling mentality (lot of power and a lot of weight on the front axle).

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

If you've ever driven the cars in question, it's quite obvious that the Mustang and 370Z are much closer than the 370Z and the Cayman S--which should come as no surprise to anyone who understands physics.

The Mustang and the Z share handling dynamics far more closely than most here would like to admit. If anything, the Z brings with it more of the slow-me-down push than the Mustang does.

There's a lot of give-and-take between the Mustang & Z in terms of handling (SRA issus vs toe-steer, weight vs balance) that makes the evaluation somewhat subjective. If you prefer a car that rotates easily, the Mustang will likely be your preference, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. On the other hand, if you'd like something smaller and lower-slung, the Z is a no-brainer, as long as you don't mind pushing a bit more in the turns (or running 305s up front).

As compared to the Cayman S, there's really no give and take--the only thing the Z has on the Cayman is straight-line power(and cost!). The brilliant and precise chassis in the Z pales in comparison to that of the Cayman. The engine placement and balance puts the Z (and frankly, most other cars) to shame.

The gap between the Z and S is far bigger than the Z and Stang...as you might expect given the price.[COLOR="rgb(154, 205, 50)"] The M3, 370Z, and Mustang all share a pretty similar handling mentality (lot of power and a lot of weight on the front axle[/COLOR]).

I wasnt comparing the Z to the mustang in terms of performance. I was talking about their philosophies with more expensive competitors As usual. It ends up that way 2 key components of the mustang i dont like. Steering is extremely numb by comparison, cornering not as flat. Thats enough for me to prefer the z. I'm down on power,yes. But if power was that important to me? I would have bought a vette GS at least.

Goes back to what i said in one of the first posts concerning this.

You are not going to get an FR to feel like an MR, Thats why i compare these cars according to what they were designed to do. And rate them in there own category.
v6 vs v8 vs turbo v6 or v8 depending how far back you wanna go? lol These types of comparo's go nowhere with opinions that walk on a really fine ledge...

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Goes back to what i said in one of the first posts concerning this.

You are not going to get an FR to feel like an MR, Thats why i compare these cars according to what they were designed to do. And rate them in there own category.
v6 vs v8 vs turbo or or v8 depending how far back you wanna go? lol These types of comparo's go nowhere with opinions that walk on a really fine ledge...

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

in summary, the Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Costs less,is faster and handles almost as good as an M3 on a track. Take Notes Nissan

You replied:

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That's like saying the Z handles almost as good as a Porsche. You wipes needa stop contradicting yourselves...

This is what I responded to.

Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

lemon-fresh · 05-15-2013, 11:03 AM

UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray.

You might want to re-read the previous page to catch up

lemon-fresh · 05-15-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

You might want to re-read the previous page to catch up

Hilarious, don't worry Red, you're right I'm wrong.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:

You replied:

This is what I responded to.

Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

Your two word response to my response to someone else confused me as well. But since you jumped in. I assumed you're backing up Jungles point. My only original point is that mustangs and Z's are cheaper versions of higher priced precision cars, and both stang and Z relatively do their individual jobs well.

But most here denounce the Z having good performance thats GENERALLY comparable to a Porsche Cayman.
My point is the Mustang is GENERALLY comparable to a BMW M3. To denounce one(Z/Cayman) from one comparo and praise the other in another (M3/Mustang) shows bias.

Let me make clear the word "GENERALLY", DOES NOT mean the Z is a cheap Cayman twin

Both stang and Z are hatchets compared to the swords which are M3 and Porsche Cayman. What I'm saying is simple. You guys are making it complicated.

If you really read your posts against mine. You're arguing a point we agree on but you're coming from a different approach and concocting an argument.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Your two word response to my response to someone else confused me as well. But since you jumped in. I assumed you're backing up Jungles point. My only original point is that mustangs and Z's are cheaper versions of higher priced precision cars, and both stang and Z relatively do their individual jobs well.

But most here denounce the Z having good performance thats GENERALLY comparable to a Porsche Cayman.
My point is the Mustang is GENERALLY comparable to a BMW M3. To denounce one(Z/Cayman) from one comparo and praise the other in another (M3/Mustang) shows bias.

Let me make clear the word "GENERALLY", DOES NOT mean the Z is a cheap Cayman twin

Both stang and Z are hatchets compared to the swords which are M3 and Porsche Cayman. What I'm saying is simple. You guys are making it complicated.

If you really read your posts against mine. You're arguing a point we agree on but you're coming from a different approach and concocting an argument.

To be clear here, the essence of what you said is:

"saying a Mustang handles almost as well as an M3 on a track is like saying a 370z handles almost as good a Porsche"

Which I took issue with, because the handling of the Mustang and M3 are FAR closer than that of the Z and Cayman.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

To be clear here, the essence of what you said is:

"saying a Mustang handles almost as well as an M3 on a track is like saying a 370z handles almost as good a Porsche"

Which I took issue with, because the handling of the Mustang and M3 are FAR closer than that of the Z and Cayman.

MR vs FR and FR vs FR. You took issue with what? So you think the mustang rivals an M3 behind the wheel. The mustang gives you an M3 driving experience?

EDIT: Let me add that not even the M3 will have the balance of the Cayman. Not even the 911 has the balance of a Cayman. just saying.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

MR vs FR and FR vs FR. You took issue with what? So you think the mustang rivals an M3 behind the wheel. The mustang gives you an M3 driving experience?

The Mustang and M3 are closer than the Z and the Cayman. Same thing I've said from the beginning.

In terms of handling, you have the jumbly thing of the 370z or the mustang

Then the M3

Then somewhere off in the distance there is the Cayman.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:

You replied:

This is what I responded to.

Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Red so how long you and Blades been dating now? And is Mustang heartbroken???

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Red so how long you and Blades been dating now? And is Mustang heartbroken???

On and off for about a year.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Red so how long you and Blades been dating now? And is Mustang heartbroken???

3 way

05-15-2013, 11:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
lemon-fresh Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Calgary Age: 41 Posts: 471 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 15	UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray. Last edited by lemon-fresh; 05-15-2013 at 11:07 AM.

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