2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

b1adesofcha0s · 05-08-2013, 10:07 PM

MT usually has Randy Pobst drive the cars for their comparisons.

The only lap times that really matter are the ones on the Top Gear test track...........because they are surrounded by an hour of entertaining programming and some witty Brits

370zrider · 05-09-2013, 12:39 AM

I'd rather watch Best Motoring International with K. Tsuchiya testing cars on Tsukuba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoLs2Wi9_4I

m4a1mustang · 05-09-2013, 11:36 AM

I would love to jump up to a C7 in the future. Just not in the cards right now. Optioned the way I want, you're looking at $70k. Used ones will be a steal in 3-4 years or so.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-09-2013, 01:06 PM

Yeah I'm gonna try to buy a used one that's 1-2 years old. If that doesn't work I can get a C6 Z06 or the new mustang/camaro/Z.

cossie1600 · 05-09-2013, 02:16 PM

Everyone has a Corvette

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-09-2013, 02:55 PM

Yeah but they dont sell alot annually. The illusion is, the generations have run nearly a decade long which makes it look like there's a lot. But i don't see C6's all the time. But see C4,C5 and C6 all the time when combined. C7 is going to take a while. I'm sure they will be controlling numbers even more now though. 3 reasons.

1. Chassis is now all aluminum. Costs more to build than previous vettes
2. Extensive use of carbon fiber. You normally fdont see that much CF till you hit $115,000
3. Stock interior is waaaaaayyyy more upscale. Much less cheap components means the budget must be running tighter.

ChrisSlicks · 05-09-2013, 04:21 PM

They sold 37000 C6 Corvettes in 2005 when they came out, in 2012 they only sold 11000. C5 was pretty steady, they sold over 30000 every year except for 2002 (25000). C4 sold over 50000 units in it's first year.

Given the current pricing I don't think they will ever reach those numbers again, but the car also gives a lot more too. It is more of a niche market car now than it ever was.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-09-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

They sold 37000 C6 Corvettes in 2005 when they came out, in 2012 they only sold 11000. C5 was pretty steady, they sold over 30000 every year except for 2002 (25000). C4 sold over 50000 units in it's first year.

Given the current pricing I don't think they will ever reach those numbers again, but the car also gives a lot more too. It is more of a niche market car now than it ever was.

Yeah, the trend has been spiraling downward. Back then The corvette had true middle class pricing. Corvette is now leaning toward upper middle class and quality is ramped up drastically. More than its ever been. I give them like 35,000 units year one. Then 15,000 the next. Then they'll jump between 10,000-13,000 units every year till the C8.

Lug · 05-10-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah, the trend has been spiraling downward. Back then The corvette had true middle class pricing. Corvette is now leaning toward upper middle class and quality is ramped up drastically. More than its ever been. I give them like 35,000 units year one. Then 15,000 the next. Then they'll jump between 10,000-13,000 units every year till the C8.

The uptick in price for the C7 is only $1400 over the C6 for the base model. If you look at vette prices vs. average income, I wouldn't be surprised to see that it's actually dropped in relative price over the years.

ChrisSlicks · 05-10-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The uptick in price for the C7 is only $1400 over the C6 for the base model. If you look at vette prices vs. average income, I wouldn't be surprised to see that it's actually dropped in relative price over the years.

The biggest price hike was during the C4 era, the price rose 63% in a 10 year span from 1984 to 1994. The original base price was $22K, finished at $36K.

Modest 24% price rise over 8 years for the C5.

The C6 base price held pricing very steady over the 9 years, likely in response to declining sales numbers and tough economy for sports cars.

StangerGT · 05-10-2013, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah, the trend has been spiraling downward. Back then The corvette had true middle class pricing. Corvette is now leaning toward upper middle class and quality is ramped up drastically. More than its ever been. I give them like 35,000 units year one. Then 15,000 the next. Then they'll jump between 10,000-13,000 units every year till the C8.

Price goes up with everything else.

Look at the price of a car in the 70's... now look average income.

cossie1600 · 05-09-2013, 07:12 PM

They still sell more than 370z

cossie1600 · 05-09-2013, 08:01 PM

Most car companies selling sports car would die for 10K / year.

370zrider · 05-10-2013, 11:12 AM

Does anyone know if the 370z's lighting lap time was done with an oil cooler in the car?

Red__Zed · 05-10-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 370zrider

Does anyone know if the 370z's lighting lap time was done with an oil cooler in the car?

Yes, they added a cooler. No way you're running VIR without one.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Yeah but they dont sell alot annually. The illusion is, the generations have run nearly a decade long which makes it look like there's a lot. But i don't see C6's all the time. But see C4,C5 and C6 all the time when combined. C7 is going to take a while. I'm sure they will be controlling numbers even more now though. 3 reasons. 1. Chassis is now all aluminum. Costs more to build than previous vettes 2. Extensive use of carbon fiber. You normally fdont see that much CF till you hit $115,000 3. Stock interior is waaaaaayyyy more upscale. Much less cheap components means the budget must be running tighter. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	Most car companies selling sports car would die for 10K / year.

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