You might want to re-read the previous page to catch up:tup:

Fixed:tup:

There's no fun in an argument if all the points made a simple and clear.

To be clear here, the essence of what you said is:

"saying a Mustang handles almost as well as an M3 on a track is like saying a 370z handles almost as good a Porsche"


Which I took issue with, because the handling of the Mustang and M3 are FAR closer than that of the Z and Cayman.

Red so how long you and Blades been dating now? And is Mustang heartbroken???

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On and off for about a year. ;)

MR vs FR and FR vs FR. You took issue with what? So you think the mustang rivals an M3 behind the wheel. The mustang gives you an M3 driving experience?

EDIT: Let me add that not even the M3 will have the balance of the Cayman. Not even the 911 has the balance of a Cayman. just saying.

The Mustang and M3 are closer than the Z and the Cayman. Same thing I've said from the beginning.



In terms of handling, you have the jumbly thing of the 370z or the mustang

Then the M3

Then somewhere off in the distance there is the Cayman.

I agree with that BUT... For an FR, I think the Z does a good job as a 8/10ths Cayman that's half the price.

The mustang might be 9/10th's of a M3 on paper, but behind the wheel. it's still an 8/10ths car that lacks a lot of driver involved feedback.

That's fine.

All I took issue with was the thought that the Z and Mustang were equidistant from their respective targets on the handling front.

3 way :yum:

i deleted my post. At the end of the day, IDGAF. :tup:

so are you going to join me, blades, and mustang now?

NEVER... Thats like Luke Skywalker joining the EVIL empire but a :supergay: version. :roflpuke2:

i'll remain a jedi. lol :icon17:

I think all points have been covered.. The real question is Nissan wanting to be a track ready lightweight RWD BRZ type car or just stick another VQ engine in a sport car and call it a day.

isnt anyone sick of the VQ engine in pathfinders,xterras,frontiers being used in every other platform.

Based on some recent news it sounds like the v-6 is here to stay. They will most likely add direct injection and use more aluminum to lower the weight. Nissan should not chase BRZ sales with the Z. If they want to compete with the BRZ, then make either a Z mini (with a turbo 4) or introduce a whole new car.

Not really. Not from a general standpoint. In all those other vehicles mentioned. They are tuned for duty. They pull out excellent power that rivals v8 cars with reduced weight and give better feedback and power delivery than the impalas and malibu's of the world.
In the sports car the VQ is still an excellent platform. VVEL is what makes the 37 so course. I'm sure the Q50 is going to show a re-tuned VVEL that runs much smoother.

The Next gen Z will most likely have two or 3 engines. I'm banking on two. The 3.7 hybrid and a 3.0ltr turbo. I think the Hybrid will prove as a GT version of the Z and the 3.0 T a turbo version the sport/tuner car. I think if nissan goes that route, they will appease a much broader market. I wouldn't be surprised if the next designation is ZX for the hybrid. Then with a lower cost FWD/AWD BRZ price competitor it will do well too. As a whole. The VQ is still the king of V6's. There really isn't a better v6 engine period. Unless you go into H.O.6's which arent v6. What NA v6 does a better job? If it ain't broke...

The problem with people like you is...

1. You read too many car mags.
2. You don't even know how to drive these cars to the limit unless it's in a straight line.
3. You never researched what Nissan was trying to achieve with the Z34 in the first place, before purchase. So you bought this car under pretenses that make no sense. Nissan didnt make a bad car. You made a bad decision. And that decision is not based on your own opinion. It's based on reading other peoples opinions. You repeat a lot and think people don't see through that shyt... If you really own a Z? Which i question lately? You drive it to work and back bruh...

Anyway...

Your 2013 purchase was summed up by an article you read in Sept 2009 Car an driver,an unreliable source. Your demise was getting in cahoots with a bunch of forum self loathers and reading every Z review AFTER you bought the car which inspired POST-MEDIA buyers remorse. It's an american epidemic called trying to please the status quo by being a drone vs having your own opinion.

You don't understand what the Z is and your complaints are all extremely vague.

You're being agreed with for saying theNismo z is harsh. 2 or 3 independent ENTHUSIAST mags didn't think the Z was harsh enough to complain about extensively. I prefer independents over guys who get kickbacks for positive reviews on some or many cars. Every major CORPORATE SPONSORED mag did though. And to your typical cliche, so are you. You're complaining about the harshness in a Nismo, that YOU DO NOT own. And if you were smart? If harshness was a SERIOUS complaint. The auto is 30% less harsh than the manual. The tranny aids in the manual Z's harshness. I don't even know how you bought the Z.

Because even on the test drive. Letting the car rev in first and second. It's like damn, what was that? The sound catchesvyou off guard at first. But as the car breaks in some of that couseness starts subsiding somewhat. It's still course but tolerable.

This is why i don't credit anything you say. The courseness you complain about is their from the first time you step on the gas. Unless you drive the auto, in auto mode. Cuz throw it in manual mode and there's the courseness again. Yet you bought the car and now you whine endlessly...

Preach, brother. A-*******-men.

Rumor is multiple engines like the Q50. Expect a third engine introduced with the Q60. I think the Z will have 2 of those 3 engines. VQ hybrid and turbo engines.

Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S - CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube, pretty much most people who drive the Z for the first time feel the same way.

and thats funny you dont even believe i have a Z. Ya i really would lie about a lousy base model.

Then why did you buy it?

I didnt buy it, I almost financed a sport package but knew i wouldnt want to keep this gas guzzling fat heavy pig of a street car like this for long. So i leased a base for $299 a month for 3 years thinking worst case scenario i would just modify it or buy it out. I soon realized the laundry list of issues with this car and i signed the papers just based on looks.

Hilarious, don't worry Red, you're right I'm wrong. ;)

At this point I think this forum would happily crowd fund any early turn-in penalties on your lease so you can buy something you don't feel compelled to complain about in every single post. I'll chip in $10. Who's with me?

dont worry im trying to get someone to take over the lease, if not Ill just lose my $3000 down and turn the car back in.

I have enough cash to probably just finance this time or get a used ride.

Im thinking Camaro SS with the 1LE package,5.0 or a used C5.

LOL! I'll bite. What laundry list of problems? Sounds like your just an uneducated person (when it come to cars at least) if your willing to spend all that kind of money just on the looks of a car.

Shyt i'll send him $100 if he'll stfu... lol

do you realize you just proved my point AGAIN by posting this garbage as your response??? Who's everybody?

The scion is a 4 banger that takes 16 seconds to finish a quafrter mile. it can barely beat a Civic. If you owned an FR-S you'd be complaining you just spent $30k on a car as slow as $23,000 a Civic

I don't know how you haven't been banned from the forum, leasee.

No no, I'm curious to hear the complaints. I bet one of them is the horrible shifter right? I was just driving my Z yesterday shifting with one finger, switching each gear so effortlessly and started laughing at all the complains I have hears on this forum.

paypal me $50 bucks and i will never post again

If you hate the car so much why do you even waste your time posting? Just put your tail between your legs and leave already.

Waiting for your response by the way.

Stay gone for 180 days and we'll forward it.

Past post from you.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1901604

"Why would they find things to complain about or exaggerate over... These are serious issues with the z in my opinion. 2012 oil cooler is a joke. I have 3100 miles on a 2012 z and just a 50 mile trip on a hot summer day is bringing temps to 230-240 casual driving.. Basically no way is this going to be a car you push without at least 1500-2000 in mods. Already paying 35-40k for the car. It's a niche car, not a smart buy for most people.

I love the car though don't get me wrong, looks are very very important and not many can top the 370z looks."

I love the car though don't get me wrong, looks are very very important and not many can top the 370z looks.

You admit to overlooking performance for looks in early posts.
You had knowledge of the Z needing $2,000 in mods.
And you admitted looks were your main reason for purchase. STFU now.

So much time sucking ford c0ck. look at this one. lol

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post2215930
JungleZ
Fuk ford I want used zo6
Jungle Z
It just proves your opinions change from the influence of others.

When he recently was going on transformers and stang BOSS rants.

Yet he describes what he wants from the Z is identical to a BRZ. lol

yikes looks like lots of Z fanboys Jimmies were rustled, im not gonna post anymore in this thread dont worry. I''ll let you guys know when i get rid of the car.

Z Fanboys or just Z enthusiast defending the car against someone who has no idea what they are talking about? Seeing that you where complaining about 230-240 degree oil temps further proves your lack of knowledge of cars.

Fanboys are guys who can only love and own one sports car. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Guys like you call guys like us fanboys as a defense to your ignorance. lack of knowledge, understanding and your need to sound like you know what you're talking about when you don't.

You talk about Ford like a fanboy lately. All those 5.0's in your neighborhood bullying you on the roads are making you want one so bad.

Should i post evidence of that too??? You just want something that has a fighting xhance of beating a mustang 5.0 or a mustang you can cheaply mod to beat another 5.0. You've been stang raped and it hurts. You're confused and you don't know where to turn. And the cost of FI for the Z makes you angry and you realized, damn, to seriously mod. I cant be in a lease... Sad:shakes head:

Not quite. It's just the constant misinformation and hyperbole has gotten old. You're the pebble in the forum's collective shoe.

Stang raped that's funny. If I wanted the fastest car on the block I would of thrown an LS motor in my rx7, hell I could of swapped a 2jz in my s2000. I never claimed to be a car guru, I got excited over the looks of the 370z and messed up getting into one. I'm honestly sorry about all the complaining. I will leave

I come from an FD. So if you thought the Z was the second coming of an FD? Not gonna happen. The FD was one of the best cars ever made. in the handling department...

The FD was plagued with cooling, oil consumption and reliability issues that make the Z look very reliable though.

But the z is the perfect compromise between precision and muscle.

It's just you got caught up with the wrong crowd and you just really don't understand what Nissan was trying to do with this car.

The complaints are valid.

oil cooling weak, slightly too front heavy, Can still use to shed a minumum of 200 extra lbs. and VVEL is on the course side.

But these are just things that have been overstated by most. And honestly most people who trade for a different car quickly made the same mistake you did. They thought the Z was something it's not.

And the 350z used to either tie or beat the 4.6 mustang v8. That was one of the biggest selling points for the Z33. Now that the Z34 was eclipsed by the 2011 5.0. That selling point is no longer their and everyone is running back to mustang, even though the Z34 is wayyyyy better than the Z33.

So in the end. I don't buy into some people saying they buy for the driving experience when there actions prove different.

If people drove for the driving experience... What would be cooler than a precision muscle car? The japanese mustang. So much slower, but so much more fun on the street, with more feedback to boot.

I don't care what you like, drive or whatever. Just be objective. All your complaining is completely one sided.


HONESTLY, YOU BEEN CONTRACTING YOURSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN